Featured NYINC show report

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Nap, Jan 19, 2020.

  1. Nap

    Nap Well-Known Member

    Headed home now after a nice show.

    I have been coming to NYINC for about 7 years now. This was my longest trip. Usually go for 2 days. This year I stayed in Manhattan Wednesday to Sunday. Longest time I’ve ever been at a show. Have some coin fatigue at the end of the show but was a great experience and the longer stay was definitely good for my growth as a numismatist.

    Wednesday was the Triton auction. Went to the auction but failed to get my lot of greatest interest. Prices were strong in the British material, which is my area of collecting. I was interested in a portrait penny of Edward the Elder but my bid was defeated. Oh well. Show hasn’t even began yet, so will have other opportunities to blow my budget. Went to dinner with a fellow English collector at a British pub, fitting for British coin enthusiasts.

    Thursday was professional preview and early bird day. In the past I have resisted the $125 entry fee for the early bird day. This year, I buckled in and paid it. In the end, I think it was worth it. The bourse was much quieter than the public days, and I was able to have first access to new material. As it would be, that mattered, as I ended up purchasing two coins from CNG that were not yet listed on the web-


    Edward IV of England groat, first reign (1461-1470), London mint


    John de Balliol of Scotland penny (1292-1296), uncertain mint (probably Berwick)

    Both of these were on my list as monarchs of the British Isles for the impossible set of all British kings. I call it impossible since I am starting in Anglo-Saxon times and going to the present, with some early petty kings’ coins being so rare as to have no known examples outside of museums. But one never knows what still may be dug out of the ground.

    I went to the New York Sale to watch, but did not place any bids. The British coins were rare types of high quality and prices were seemingly strong. Outside of the sale I mentioned my auction woes of the night before to a dealer and he told me he had an Edward the Elder penny I might want to consider. Made a mental note.

    Went to dinner at Grand Central’s oyster bar. It was chilly, so nice to not have to walk outside.

    Friday was the first public day. Bourse was of course much busier. Looked like a good crowd. Dealers seemed to be making decent sales, checkbooks were out, and collectors were everywhere. I did some lot viewing at Stacks. I advise everyone to take advantage of lot viewing, even if you don’t have a great eye (I don’t have a great eye), it really is illuminating. Was able to narrow down my interest from 7 lots to 2. I went back to the dealer from yesterday, Wolfshead Gallery from NJ. He showed me two coins of Edward the Elder, both with portrait. The first was sadly beyond my budget, but the second was not. It has some central weakness but otherwise seemed a nice coin, and I decided to add it to the collection.


    Edward the Elder penny (899-924), Beahred moneyer, probably London mint

    Went to dinner at one of the upscale food courts near Grand Central with some friends.

    After dinner, went to the Stacks sale. Cheered on a friend who had some lots in the sale on consignment. I think he did ok. I had picked out two lots of interest. One went beyond my budget but I was successful on the other!


    William II penny (1087-1100), moneyer Eadwig, mint London.

    For those that don’t know English coins, there are several post-conquest coins that are just tough, and they follow a numbering scheme (in ascending order of difficulty):

    1- Henry I
    2- William II
    3- Richard III
    4- Henry IV
    5- Edward V
    8- Edward VIII

    Of those, Henry I is easiest. His coins are only scarce. The rest are tough. Edward VIII is only known from a few patterns, one of which sold in the New York Sale for $300000!

    Saturday I was a little coin fatigued. My budget was mostly consumed and I had seen most of everything I wanted to. I picked up my lot from Stacks, and gave some consideration for a Norman penny, but in the end I passed. Met up with a friend who has similar interest in British coins. Went to the BNS talk on the collection of British coins at the ANS. My wife also joined me in the city, she planned to spend the day in the city going to a museum, but since the weather was lousy she ended up staying with me. She doesn’t collect but she understands the importance of the hobby to me, and I consider myself pretty fortunate for that. Went to dinner at a Turkish restaurant.

    Sunday morning I went to the Spink auction but came up empty. As is commonly seen, the marginal material went cheap and the better stuff went strong. I made one last round on the bourse to say goodbye to a few people and then I was off.

    Five days is a lot for me at a show. I am happy but do have some coin fatigue. Miss the kids and feel bad for the wife for having to deal with the house alone for all this time. I think next year probably will stick to 3-4 days.

    I am grateful for the friends I’ve made in the hobby. Coin people really are among the most interesting people I meet- friendly, intelligent, worldly, and nerdy (in a good way).
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Great writeup and coins. Love the John & Edward Pennies.

    Edward IV, (1461-1470 A.D.)
    AR Groat
    Light Coinage
    O: ЄDWΛRD’ DI · GRΛ’ RЄX · ΛnGL’ · Z FRΛnC (saltire stops), crowned facing bust, with trefoil on breast and quatrefoil to left and right of neck; all within tressure of arches, with lis in spandrels.
    R: POSVI DЄVm · Λ DIVTOR Є’ · mЄVm/ CIVI TΛS LOn DOn (saltire stops), long cross pattée, with three pellets in each quarter.
    im: Crown
    London mint, Struck 1466-1467.
    North 1568; SCBC 2000
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  4. Suarez

    Suarez Well-Known Member

    I always though William II pennies are rarer than Henry I.

    Are there any portrait Edward V's that can be conclusively proven to have been minted during his tenure?

  5. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander Blame my mother. Supporter

    Great story, and a wonderful William Rufus! The other coins aren't too shabby either.

    One of these days I'll have to hit NYINC.
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  6. TheRed

    TheRed Supporter! Supporter

    Congrats on some great coins @Nap I really like all of the coins. Your penny of John Baliol is quite a nice example.

    It sounds like you had a really nice time at the show. Going to all of the auctions, viewing the lots, and going out with other collectors would be so much fun. Multiple days on the bourse would be really nice too. NYINC is a show I'll have to go to one day.
  7. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    Really like the Edward the Elder piece. I will have to add that to my wish list.
  8. Nap

    Nap Well-Known Member

    You are correct, William Rufus coins are rarer than Henry I. The list is ascending rarity. Regarding the Edward V coins, the gold angels can be assigned to Edward V if they carry the halved sun and rose mintmark and read “EDWARD DI GRA...” The groats are less certain. The groats reading Edward with the halved sun and rose mintmark were made during Edward IV’s second reign and probably throughout Edward V’s. No way to tell which was made when. Subsequently a groat reading “Edward” was made depicting the boar’s head (Richard III’s mark) stamped over the halved sun and rose. These have historically been attributed to Edward V, but more recent scholarship suggests they are from Richard’s reign. I am on the fence. I own one and attribute it to Edward V. It’s really hard because of the chaotic production and many mules of old and new dies

    Edward V (?) or Richard III (in the name of Edward) groat 1483, mintmark boar’s head 1/halved sun and rose 1, mint London
  9. Nap

    Nap Well-Known Member

    Last coin, from the Heritage electronic auction, which was sort of part of the show:

    Aethelstan penny (924-939), circumscription cross reading “Rex To Br”, moneyer Abba, mint Chester

    This historic type was issued shortly after the Saxon conquest of Viking York, after which Aethelstan could call accurately call himself (the first) king of all England.
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