NYINC redux

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by DeLaFe, Jan 22, 2022.

  1. DeLaFe

    DeLaFe Active Member

    First, I never come to CoinTalk... I will make an effort to change that and communicate more here (Especially since I am not thrilled with the direction Facebook has been taking).

    I am a bit late to the conversation but a lot of people have been discussing their experiences at the NYINC.

    The show had a lighter attendance, but most of the dealers I spoke with were happy with sales. After two years of dealing with the pandemic I actually was very surprised that the show not only went on, but that it did as well as it did.

    The weeks before the show were quite difficult for me and a few other dealers. COVID had a bit of a resurgence and I know at least 60 people that either got it a second time or that were fully vaccinated and got it. The good news is that everyone I know that was vaccinated did not even need to go to the hospital.

    The show required masks and proof of vaccination. However, a few dealers did not make it because they tested positive before leaving for the show. (The are doing well now)

    >>>I<<< almost didn't make it because my mother, a COVID long hauler, got COVID for a second time 3 weeks before the NYINC! To help her out I set up my shipping office in her apartment, but the Monday right before the show she tested negative and I was able to gain access to my office again... Mom is on the mend, but it hit her hard because as a long hauler she has been in pretty bad health.

    On to the show... I had a table and brought our posters (Only sold about 20 or so). More than anything I set up at the show because I hadn't done a coin show in two years. More than anything it was a great show to buy inventory. I was able to pick up some fantastic Jewish War prutah and some Herod the Great's. I also found something I was not expecting- a bag of 6,000 uncleaned Holyland coins! Bought them for Dirty Old Coins inventory (A lot of junk in the bag, but by the time I remove the culls I think it is the best coin purchase I have made in years!)

    As others mentioned, Educational Coin Company and Allen Berman were among the busiest tables with tens of thousands of coins at each table. Allen is ALWAYS busy, you can generally find his table at a show by looking for the busiest table on the bourse floor. His table was up the aisle from mine and I was able to go through his ancients at one point and picked out a few nice coins.
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  3. robinjojo

    robinjojo Supporter! Supporter

    Sounds like it was a great show.

    I wish there was an equivalent on the West Coast. Long Beach is the largest one, but it lacks international flavor of the NYC show, and generally ancients are not a strong point for Long Beach.
  4. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    Glad the show was a success for most dealers and collectors.

    I hope your mom continues to recuperate from COVID-19.
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  5. DeLaFe

    DeLaFe Active Member

    Thanks. It has been a horrific two years due to COVID. I am so looking forward to some sense of normalcy returning to our lives... Plus, lots and lots of coin shows. ;-)
  6. DeLaFe

    DeLaFe Active Member

    Ironically I have been wanting to go to the Long Beach show for many years.

    Now that I am the sole owner of my company I am considering setting up at 4-5 coin shows a year. The NYINC, Baltimore, FUN, main ANA show and I was considering Long Beach. But this is not the first time I hear comments like yours... Maybe I will just go and walk the show to feel it out?
  7. robinjojo

    robinjojo Supporter! Supporter

    Yes, that might the right approach. Scout it out and then decide if you want to set up at a future show. I don't know what the table set up rate is, but I am sure it is not cheap, to say the least.

    Long Beach is big. I've been there once. There are lots of dealers there, selling all kinds of coins, currency, collectables, stamps, etc. I am not in a position to compare it to the NYINC, but from what I have seen, both in the comments of CT members who attended it, and others who participated in the associated auctions, that show seems to have more of an international focus, both in the dealers present, and the focus of the coins generally offered, especially world and ancient coins. Long Beach has lots of dealers in US coins. I don't know if that is the case with the NYINC.

    I'm not knocking the Long Beach show, it is just different, in my view. I had a great time there, even picking up a gold 8 escudos cob of Mexico, 1713, a coin that now I would ill afford to buy. That was my focus back then, world coins, notably crowns, so I didn't dwell long around the dealers of ancient coins.
  8. tibor

    tibor Supporter! Supporter

    Allen Berman always has a wonderful selection to choose from. i usually
    find a few to purchase from. Very Knowledgeable and friendly.
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  9. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Glad to hear this. New year's resolution?
  10. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    We always say 'Welcome to Coin Talk' - well usually, anyway. We each are always seeking an outlet for our coin related efforts. For some, Coin Talk may be a good fit while for others it is less so or even offensive. The same goes for Facebook and its infinite number of groups each set up by someone who wants it 'their way'. You are a coin dealer. When you see a bag of 6000 Holyland coins, you see the opportunity to convert those coins into food for your family and plane tickets to take you to coin shows across the country (world?). I am not a dealer and find it painful to sell coins since that means I made a mistake buying the thing in the first place. Sometimes that means I bought a duplicate or decided that all coins in that category were 'duplicates' unless they also fit into some other category that does interest me. Too often it makes me face a 'What was I thinking?' moment. 6000 Holyland coins would not be a thrill to me. A few of my favorite people are very, very interested in Holyland coins. I'm not. If I saw a bag of 6000 Holyland coins at a show, I doubt it would be worth my time to go through it. I do have a few but most also partake of something I do find interesting like Septimius Severus or 'Technical' coins. This AJ fits as 'Technical'. I suppose I would like it better were the Hebrew letters more clear or the Greek letters on the flan but I bought the coin for the feature unrelated to grade and market value. ju0090bb1599.jpg

    We are all different to some degree but we congregate because we share something despite the fact that we may not share everything. I do not collect W quarters. Many of my friends are dealers but I only appreciate dealers who see something in the coins other than immediate profit or investment potential. If the bottom falls out of the coin market, I will be happy to buy more for less but I realize that I will have trouble finding coins when all of the dealers have jumped off high buildings and stopped travelling to coin shows so I can pluck things from the 'buy, sell, repeat' cycle that is, by necessity, their reason for being.

    You said you were 'not thrilled with the direction Facebook has been taking.' You did not say what that direction was. I hope it was not related to the fact that I very recently started posting some on a couple FB groups. Some will see that as the neighborhood going downhill. I have already managed to offend one major player. It seems obvious that none of the groups will be perfect fits for what we want to gain from this hobby (or business, if that is your interest in the subject). I hope both of us can find some benefit here but that will require everyone to realize that we have very different expectations. Welcome to Coin Talk. I hope you will show highlights of what came out of that bag.

    While I did cover the 'obligatory coin content' with that mite, I can never tire of posting my favorite Covid era coin (there have been few - very few). It shows what I find interesting and what I do not.
    Septimius Severus and Clodius Albinus, AE25 Pautalia / Serpent, tree, altar, Varbanov 4866 (this coin), die duplicate Lanz 121,451 (2004) ex. Coin Talk's own Pete B.
  11. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio Supporter

    welcome @DeLaFe - It is good to have new perspectives here. It would be nice if you would add a pic or two of the stuff you picked up at the NYINC. I'd like to see the pile 6,000 coins before and after a bit of sorting. Did you come away with a big find?
  12. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status Supporter

    Welcome to CT and thanks for sharing!
    Many of us that didn't get to go live vicariously through what you all share about the show:shame:
    I'd love to see pictures of some of the coins that you picked up:snaphappy: MSCs are always welcome:cigar:
    Here's a pretty wicked looking recent pick up of mine:

    Ps, what's the name of your company?
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  13. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Welcome to CT. I actually have not been to a show. Back in the old days I used to visit Frank L. Kovacs' offices in San Francisco, he had an 8th floor suite on Post Street. I used to pour through his coins (he had thousands) and always pick out a few to buy. Recently an endowed library in his name was opened at Stanford.
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  14. Blake Davis

    Blake Davis Well-Known Member

    How did this coin beautiful survive?
  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Perhaps it spent time in a collection that did not believe only MS is worth owning?
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  16. DeLaFe

    DeLaFe Active Member

    Not exactly a new years resolution. When I took the plunge and took over Agora I had a lot of changes planned for right after my surgery. Then COVID hit and I basically found myself in the middle of a two year mega storm watching the roof blown away one tile at a time... But yeah, my overall resolution was to get systems in place to improve communications. (I have managed to do a few things which have helped greatly. The biggest being integrating a tool which Dirty Old Coins used for logistics and shipping- ShipStation.)
  17. Black Friar

    Black Friar Well-Known Member

    Welcome to this forum, I think you will be a great addition. This is a very good group. The Ancient world is so vast. On a personal note, you knocked my socks off with the shipment of the Arab/Byz coins. I know for sure what you were going through. lsg. Cheers and we all hope your Mother will get some relief from a horrendous plague.
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  18. DeLaFe

    DeLaFe Active Member

    Hey Doug:

    Facebook has gotten to be a lot of "noise" and they sprinkled in a ton of intervention. I find my posts getting taken down for some violation or another then returning because they found that they were in error but the "punishment" not fully lifted. I still use Facebook, but it is such a time sink. If you didn't know, I am the admin of one of the best Ancient & Medieval coins list on there that is also closely moderated to ensure it doesn't get derailed.

    I originally became a dealer right after 9/11 shut my business down. Shortly after I was very fortunate to make a lot of very good friends that were/are leaders in ancient numismatics and I took their advice to heart. One piece of advice was that I needed to learn to not be attached to coins or I would never sell anything. So basically every coin in my personal collection has a price- the more I like it the higher the price. ;-) I do regret selling a few coins, but I shake it off and I focus on the positives. The big one is that I get to handle and study THOUSANDS of coins I otherwise would never be able to own. Right before my surgery I actually sold most of my collection to cover the cost of taking over Agora AND covering my bills for the 6-8 weeks it was going to take me to recover. Do I regret it? Yes and no. I definitely wish I still had a few of the coins, but I do not regret doing what I had to do for my family and I.


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  19. DeLaFe

    DeLaFe Active Member

    Frank is a great guy and is one of five or six people I would consider being the world best at detecting ancient forgeries. Was sorry when he retired but glad that he still shares his knowledge with others.
  20. DeLaFe

    DeLaFe Active Member

    Two of the coins I got at the show which I happened to photograph. The others I took quick photos of with my iPhone but CP is no longer working with TapaTalk? NEW9232.jpg NEW9235.jpg :
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  21. Orielensis

    Orielensis Supporter! Supporter

    In case this is of interest to you: Some of Kovacs' coins also went to the Stanford library collection. A part of the collection has recently been digitized and is accessible via this link.
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