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<p>[QUOTE="Volodya, post: 3535302, member: 19615"]Pointing out a handful of fakes that slipped by out of tens of thousands of NGC submissions doesn't really tell us very much. Barry & David have never claimed to be infallible in detecting forgeries. No one is. Of course it's possible to find examples like those you cite. I've known them both for decades though and there is no one in whom I have more confidence.</p><p><br /></p><p>I'd be more interested in seeing examples of the opposite sort of "mistake": coins that the current principals at NGC ancients have condemned that have eventually been conclusively shown to be genuine. I'm not aware of <i>any </i>cases like that, but of course I don't see everything. It's one thing to suggest that they occasionally are overcautious in declining to certify certain problem coins. That's a reasonable position to take. (I had a long discussion with David Vagi several years ago about a worn Lepidus aureus that he declined to certify, which I'm still convinced is genuine.) That's unfortunate but honestly, not that big a deal in my opinion. In their position I also would err on the side of caution. I think it would be much much worse if NGC is outright condemning genuine coins, but I don't think that's happening; certainly not often and probably not at all.</p><p><br /></p><p>Phil Davis[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Volodya, post: 3535302, member: 19615"]Pointing out a handful of fakes that slipped by out of tens of thousands of NGC submissions doesn't really tell us very much. Barry & David have never claimed to be infallible in detecting forgeries. No one is. Of course it's possible to find examples like those you cite. I've known them both for decades though and there is no one in whom I have more confidence. I'd be more interested in seeing examples of the opposite sort of "mistake": coins that the current principals at NGC ancients have condemned that have eventually been conclusively shown to be genuine. I'm not aware of [I]any [/I]cases like that, but of course I don't see everything. It's one thing to suggest that they occasionally are overcautious in declining to certify certain problem coins. That's a reasonable position to take. (I had a long discussion with David Vagi several years ago about a worn Lepidus aureus that he declined to certify, which I'm still convinced is genuine.) That's unfortunate but honestly, not that big a deal in my opinion. In their position I also would err on the side of caution. I think it would be much much worse if NGC is outright condemning genuine coins, but I don't think that's happening; certainly not often and probably not at all. Phil Davis[/QUOTE]
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