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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Barry Murphy, post: 3535165, member: 79368&quot;]Hubert, I mean Lolli, I think you&#039;re missing the point of this whole discussion. You, I mean Lanz, sold a coin that wasn&#039;t his to sell. Fake or real it doesn&#039;t matter. At that point, Nemo is owed a full refund for what he paid for the coin. End of discussion.</p><p><br /></p><p>Somehow you are defending Lanz by pointing to fakes in Goldberg catalogs. I don&#039;t understand that connection. I could go on sixbid and in the next hour show you 75 fakes or I could go through the Lanz sale where the 3 coins came from I posted earlier and show you more forgeries, but that doesn&#039;t excuse the actions Lanz has taken with Nemo&#039;s coin. Yes everyone makes a mistake. Not everyone sells a coin they don&#039;t own and don&#039;t have permission to sell.</p><p><br /></p><p>Perhaps you aren&#039;t reading all the posts in this thread. You again brought up Andrew McCabe. He&#039;s replied to this thread twice and he agrees the 3 coins I posted are obvious forgeries.</p><p><br /></p><p>Concerning NGC, we are not the industry police. Just because we think a coin is fake doesn&#039;t mean the dealer has to give a refund. I will say though, that of the top 5 experts in the world on ancient coin forgery, I think 2 of them work at NGC, and if we say your coin is fake, there are pretty good odds that we are correct and can prove it. Based on Lanz&#039;s sales in the last 10 years, I wouldn&#039;t put him in the top 20, and if you can&#039;t tell any of the coins I posted earlier were forgeries I wouldn&#039;t put you in the top 20 either. Have I made a mistake? Sure. I&#039;ve been here 3 years and have had nearly 150,000 coins cross my desk. I know of 1 fake that made it into a holder that had a long pedigree that I failed to look at closely enough (that coin is no longer in a holder or on the market). And I know of maybe a dozen other fakes that made it into holders in the previous 8 years before I got here when NGC Ancients was 1 man operation. We have no financial interest in any of the coins we look at and we don&#039;t care who submitted them or what sales they came from. We look at every coin the same way. No dealer can give an unbiased opinion on a coin they sold. We have no bias on any coin we look at. We are reluctant to call coins forgeries, but when we do we have pretty good evidence to back up our opinions.</p><p><br /></p><p>Concerning me contacting Lanz and explaining why the electrum coin was fake, I doubt that will happen. He&#039;s been quite vocal in his disapproval of NGC and I don&#039;t feel like I owe him anything. He&#039;s dug himself into a deep enough hole over this coin already.</p><p><br /></p><p>Barry Murphy[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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