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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Lolli, post: 3535164, member: 96900&quot;]Fabric is not style !</p><p>If you use the words &quot;wrong style&quot; I will look if the coins is engraved in wrong style by a modern artist, so I will do a small die study and I think this is how most would have understood this!</p><p>There are definitions of the meanings of words and how they are supposed to be used!</p><p>It is either a misunderstanding and the word style can have little bit different meanings and can be used different in English than in German or I misunderstood you because, so far&nbsp; I have only read in posts wrong style if it was always about modern hand cutted dies with wrong style. In combination with transfer die fakes, I have never ever read in a post about modern or ancient transfer dies that anyone used it in the same way as you do. (And I do love fakes and read everything I can find in internet about fakes)</p><p><br /></p><p>This is leading nowhere !</p><p><br /></p><p>USA have their laws and Germany has its laws.</p><p><br /></p><p>To resell the coin without the permission of the owner would be for example not legal in Germany. I do not know what consequences it could have for Dr. Lanz if he would get accused for it and I do not care because, it would meant he did something wrong which can imho not be justified.</p><p><br /></p><p>If it is actually true Dr. Lanz took nemo the chance to let another expert check the coin and then go to court if the coin is actually fake to get his full money fake or if nemo would change his mind in future and then thinking the coin is genuine to resell it somewhere else for a possibly better price. </p><p><br /></p><p>I understand that nemo is not happy, but it would be still the smartest to contact Dr. Lanz again telling him why the coin is fake (really good arguments) and then if he still rejects to fully refund you, you could consider to court, not only becasue of the money but to show that it is not ok what he is doing that he will stop it.</p><p><br /></p><p>There is no legal need to take the coin back if there is no real proven evidence that the coin is actually fake and if the seller is not notified that and why the coin is fake, seller has to get the opportunity to verify if it is actually true or not. </p><p><br /></p><p>I am not qualified to tell if the electrum coin is really fake, I am not familiar with this coins so I do not know if Dr. Lanz or NGC is correct.</p><p><br /></p><p>If there are serious and reliable doubts that a coin is most likely fake it should be of course withdrawn and the buyer fully refunded to keep the reputation of the auction house. </p><p><br /></p><p>I assume that Dr Lanz thinks that he is really good in authentication of this type of coins and I guess he possibly even could think that he is better than NGC if it comes to the authentication of this coins so he is rejecting a refund without proven evidence that the coin is actually fake. I do understand his point of view, but if doubts are rised concering this coin, he should have at least (maybe he has), asked an expert ( in best case the best expert for this type of coin, who has published books for this coins) to get a second oppinion.</p><p>And if this best experts say fake, of course withdrawing the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>I do not know and I can not know if Dr. Lanz or NGC is better in authenticating this coins and I do not think that the ones who are hree acting against Dr. Lanz are really familiar with this coins and so qualified to judge if Dr Lanz or NGC is right.</p><p><br /></p><p>Maybe The coin is actully authentic who knows, NGC is imho not that good.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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