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<p>[QUOTE="Lolli, post: 3535038, member: 96900"]"The Murcus coin looks fake due to the lack of metal flow. I don't think it's struck. It has nothing to due with style or dies. I also don't like the Gorny coin or the Roma coin. They all look pressed."</p><p><br /></p><p>The lack of metal flow is due to smoothing which is removing small flow lines on the surface. Smoothing is mentioned in descritpion. </p><p><br /></p><p>"Pointing to die links as proof of authenticity when the links you point to are suspicious as well doesn’t help to prove your point."</p><p><br /></p><p>The Vienna Museum piece is not suspicious and at least from the same artist .</p><p>I have mentioned Andrew McCabe, who has the required literature with possibly all known authentic examples to verify that the dies are fine. (He can do die studies)</p><p><br /></p><p>TypeCoin971793: (post #65) "I said that one was fairly obvious. The style is just wrong"</p><p><br /></p><p>If someone is pretending a coin is fake, people who are not familiar with an issue are often starting to speculate why and most of this is nonsense. TypeCoin971793 pretended that the Murcus from Lanz is from modern hand cutted dies, this is the only possibility that the style can be wrong. And this is not true. </p><p><br /></p><p>I do not like especially the Gorny piece and the Roma piece is not looking completely convincing too (soapy surface). I do not pretend that they must be fake but I would not buy them or want to have them. </p><p><br /></p><p>To refer to suspicious coins sold by other auction houses is not helping to prove that the coin is authentic, that was not my intention but it shows that it is not necessarly much saver to buy from other auciton houses (because the authenticating skills of the experts of the different aution houses are very different from extremely good to not so good if it comes to some emissions).</p><p><br /></p><p>The % rate of fakes in some auctions of reputable auction houses is much higher. </p><p><br /></p><p>Ira and Larry Goldberg Auctioneers hsa in current auction at least 2 fakes possibly 3 Greek fakes while offering only 42 Greek coins is this really better than LANZ ?</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=3220&lot=1631" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=3220&lot=1631" rel="nofollow">https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=3220&lot=1631</a></p><p><br /></p><p>The Balas is a transfer die fake, there is a hole in the hair and some of the fakes are to heavy and too light and they made some die links which are</p><p><br /></p><p><font size="4"><b>ROBERT KOKOTAILO</b> :</font>"The basic problem is: how can two coins struck at two different mints, most likely more than a year apart, share a common obverse die?" </p><p><br /></p><p>Not sure if this 2 die links are actually a problem as <font size="4"><b>"ROBERT KOKOTAILO</b></font>" pretends but there exist actually more die links which is very suspicious.</p><p><br /></p><p><font size="4"><b>ROBERT KOKOTAILO</b> : </font>"It is very likely that the dies from which these coins were struck were cut in modern day Beirut (Lebanon)"</p><p><br /></p><p>This is not correct they are transfer die fakes with typical transfer die problems, detail loss, defects, soapy surface (not always the case).</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/fakes/examples/fakebalas.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/fakes/examples/fakebalas.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/fakes/examples/fakebalas.htm</a> </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=3220&lot=1612" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=3220&lot=1612" rel="nofollow">https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=3220&lot=1612</a></p><p><br /></p><p>The Alexander is a fake from modern Bulgarian dies, I have one from the same dies and some from most likely same artist (idential individual style).</p><p>The style is wrong and the planchet looks off too.</p><p><br /></p><p>No die matches or die links known to authentic coins and no authentic coins known from same artist. Coins of this dies only known less than 30 years. Bu many fakes with same style from most likely same artis known for different mints and rulers and times which is impossible, except the artist lived hundreds of years and was travelling through the ancient world to mint everywhere new dies but of most issues only 1 pair of die.</p><p><br /></p><p>I guess that some impossible die links do exist too, but too lazy too look because even without this they are obvious fakes. </p><p><br /></p><p>And obverse die is published </p><p><br /></p><p>Most likely Bulgarian - struck from modern dies - style is modern. Obverse tends to be concave.</p><p><br /></p><p>IBSCC Bulletin on Counterfeits BOCS Vol 16 No.1 1991 Page 18 Fig 6</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=~x~c5f~x~o6ICGE=" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=~x~c5f~x~o6ICGE=" rel="nofollow">http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=~x~c5f~x~o6ICGE=</a></p><p><br /></p><p>The athen tetradrachm looks cast on picture, I do not say the coin must be fake but the coin is at least very suspicious !</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=3220&lot=1619" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=3220&lot=1619" rel="nofollow">https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=3220&lot=1619</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lolli, post: 3535038, member: 96900"]"The Murcus coin looks fake due to the lack of metal flow. I don't think it's struck. It has nothing to due with style or dies. I also don't like the Gorny coin or the Roma coin. They all look pressed." The lack of metal flow is due to smoothing which is removing small flow lines on the surface. Smoothing is mentioned in descritpion. "Pointing to die links as proof of authenticity when the links you point to are suspicious as well doesn’t help to prove your point." The Vienna Museum piece is not suspicious and at least from the same artist . I have mentioned Andrew McCabe, who has the required literature with possibly all known authentic examples to verify that the dies are fine. (He can do die studies) TypeCoin971793: (post #65) "I said that one was fairly obvious. The style is just wrong" If someone is pretending a coin is fake, people who are not familiar with an issue are often starting to speculate why and most of this is nonsense. TypeCoin971793 pretended that the Murcus from Lanz is from modern hand cutted dies, this is the only possibility that the style can be wrong. And this is not true. I do not like especially the Gorny piece and the Roma piece is not looking completely convincing too (soapy surface). I do not pretend that they must be fake but I would not buy them or want to have them. To refer to suspicious coins sold by other auction houses is not helping to prove that the coin is authentic, that was not my intention but it shows that it is not necessarly much saver to buy from other auciton houses (because the authenticating skills of the experts of the different aution houses are very different from extremely good to not so good if it comes to some emissions). The % rate of fakes in some auctions of reputable auction houses is much higher. Ira and Larry Goldberg Auctioneers hsa in current auction at least 2 fakes possibly 3 Greek fakes while offering only 42 Greek coins is this really better than LANZ ? [url]https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=3220&lot=1631[/url] The Balas is a transfer die fake, there is a hole in the hair and some of the fakes are to heavy and too light and they made some die links which are [SIZE=4][B]ROBERT KOKOTAILO[/B] :[/SIZE]"The basic problem is: how can two coins struck at two different mints, most likely more than a year apart, share a common obverse die?" Not sure if this 2 die links are actually a problem as [SIZE=4][B]"ROBERT KOKOTAILO[/B][/SIZE]" pretends but there exist actually more die links which is very suspicious. [SIZE=4][B]ROBERT KOKOTAILO[/B] : [/SIZE]"It is very likely that the dies from which these coins were struck were cut in modern day Beirut (Lebanon)" This is not correct they are transfer die fakes with typical transfer die problems, detail loss, defects, soapy surface (not always the case). [url]http://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/fakes/examples/fakebalas.htm[/url] [url]https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=3220&lot=1612[/url] The Alexander is a fake from modern Bulgarian dies, I have one from the same dies and some from most likely same artist (idential individual style). The style is wrong and the planchet looks off too. No die matches or die links known to authentic coins and no authentic coins known from same artist. Coins of this dies only known less than 30 years. Bu many fakes with same style from most likely same artis known for different mints and rulers and times which is impossible, except the artist lived hundreds of years and was travelling through the ancient world to mint everywhere new dies but of most issues only 1 pair of die. I guess that some impossible die links do exist too, but too lazy too look because even without this they are obvious fakes. And obverse die is published Most likely Bulgarian - struck from modern dies - style is modern. Obverse tends to be concave. IBSCC Bulletin on Counterfeits BOCS Vol 16 No.1 1991 Page 18 Fig 6 [url]http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=~x~c5f~x~o6ICGE=[/url] The athen tetradrachm looks cast on picture, I do not say the coin must be fake but the coin is at least very suspicious ! [url]https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=3220&lot=1619[/url][/QUOTE]
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