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<p>[QUOTE="Lolli, post: 3534598, member: 96900"]<font size="4"><b><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/members/typecoin971793.78244/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/members/typecoin971793.78244/">TypeCoin971793</a></b></font> :</p><p>"I said that one was fairly obvious. The style is just wrong"</p><p><br /></p><p>Style is fine you can ask Andrew McCabe if you do not believe me ^^</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Vienna Museum same style and artist</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.ikmk.at/object?lang=de&id=ID55963&view=rs" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ikmk.at/object?lang=de&id=ID55963&view=rs" rel="nofollow">http://www.ikmk.at/object?lang=de&id=ID55963&view=rs</a></p><p><br /></p><p>other authentic coins from this issue</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://numismatics.org/crro/id/rrc-510.1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://numismatics.org/crro/id/rrc-510.1" rel="nofollow">http://numismatics.org/crro/id/rrc-510.1</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Same obverse die as Roma (same die flaw right to the beard on obverse )</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1537795" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1537795" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1537795</a></p><p><br /></p><p>And same dies as Gorny</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3380921" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3380921" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3380921</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Lanz has some smoothing mentioned in description</p><p><br /></p><p>"<a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5059921" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5059921" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5059921</a></p><p><br /></p><p>CNG is from the same obverse die, same die flaw at about 7 o clock over the strange running dotted border (dotted border is not as circular as they generally are ^^)</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1482127" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1482127" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1482127</a></p><p><br /></p><p>And same obverse die as Gemini specimen, same die flaw at about 7 o clock over the strange running dotted border</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4907973" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4907973" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4907973</a></p><p><br /></p><p>The coin is from the same artis as the one of the Vienna example almost identical reverse die.</p><p>Look for example the strange R on the reverse and the letters and the design itself which is in from the same style with same individual peculiarities.</p><p><br /></p><p>The Lanz, Gorny and Roma coins show an almost identical reverse design to the Vienna piece (imho possibly to identical) so they are either from a very very similar reverse die of the same artist or recutted transfer die fakes.</p><p>I think that the chance that the dies have been recutted in ancient times are very low but I still think it has to be considered.</p><p>I guess a die study would be needed to solve if there has been some recutting or not.</p><p>What is really worrying me is that there are possibly two die flaws on the reverse die, left to the top of the I of IMP and there is another possible die flaw right to the nose of the woman on the reverse. Same die flaw would mean same dies because there are so many factors which can influence where and what kind of die flaw occurs that you can be certain that coins with same die flaw must be from the same die.</p><p><br /></p><p>Differences to the Vienna piece are I of IMP and toga of man.</p><p>I looks smaller on the Vienna piece.</p><p><br /></p><p>The Lanz piece has been "Leicht geglättet" means smoothed this is actually making authentication more difficult.</p><p><br /></p><p>I do not like the Lanz piece and I had some concerns about this coin but I do not know if it has something to do with the smoothing.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lolli, post: 3534598, member: 96900"][SIZE=4][B][URL='https://www.cointalk.com/members/typecoin971793.78244/']TypeCoin971793[/URL][/B][/SIZE] : "I said that one was fairly obvious. The style is just wrong" Style is fine you can ask Andrew McCabe if you do not believe me ^^ Vienna Museum same style and artist [url]http://www.ikmk.at/object?lang=de&id=ID55963&view=rs[/url] other authentic coins from this issue [url]http://numismatics.org/crro/id/rrc-510.1[/url] Same obverse die as Roma (same die flaw right to the beard on obverse ) [url]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1537795[/url] And same dies as Gorny [url]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3380921[/url] Lanz has some smoothing mentioned in description "[url]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5059921[/url] CNG is from the same obverse die, same die flaw at about 7 o clock over the strange running dotted border (dotted border is not as circular as they generally are ^^) [url]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1482127[/url] And same obverse die as Gemini specimen, same die flaw at about 7 o clock over the strange running dotted border [url]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4907973[/url] The coin is from the same artis as the one of the Vienna example almost identical reverse die. Look for example the strange R on the reverse and the letters and the design itself which is in from the same style with same individual peculiarities. The Lanz, Gorny and Roma coins show an almost identical reverse design to the Vienna piece (imho possibly to identical) so they are either from a very very similar reverse die of the same artist or recutted transfer die fakes. I think that the chance that the dies have been recutted in ancient times are very low but I still think it has to be considered. I guess a die study would be needed to solve if there has been some recutting or not. What is really worrying me is that there are possibly two die flaws on the reverse die, left to the top of the I of IMP and there is another possible die flaw right to the nose of the woman on the reverse. Same die flaw would mean same dies because there are so many factors which can influence where and what kind of die flaw occurs that you can be certain that coins with same die flaw must be from the same die. Differences to the Vienna piece are I of IMP and toga of man. I looks smaller on the Vienna piece. The Lanz piece has been "Leicht geglättet" means smoothed this is actually making authentication more difficult. I do not like the Lanz piece and I had some concerns about this coin but I do not know if it has something to do with the smoothing.[/QUOTE]
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