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<p>[QUOTE="HandsomeToad, post: 401028, member: 12965"]On the last edition, the seller has replied:</p><p> </p><p><i>Thanks for the help. You know I am going by what my Great-Uncle has them identified as on the 2 X 2 envelopes. He has not looked at them in about 50 - 60 years and the only book we have is the 1958 Issue of Sheldon's Penny Whimsy which supports the R-5 in this case. I am aware that as more examples of a variety are found the Rarity Scale Value is adjusted.</i></p><p><br /></p><p><i>I'd think more of you if rather then suggesting FRAUD you could really be helpful and reveal your reference source. You are telling me that you have better and newer information on this penny for sure but you can not recall or are not willing to share some type of trade secret. Or , It would take 1 more sentence of effort then you have energy to type at this time? </i></p><p><br /></p><p><i>Also , try to have a bit of faith. I know there is a lot of BOGUS going on in the world right now but check my feedback and what you see is what you get.</i></p><p> </p><p>I replied, in turn:</p><p> </p><p><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><i>I did give you my source - Heritage (Heritage Auctions </i><a href="http://mhtml:{7FF92132-DBB3-44F2-AD3D-FDC60A444E53}mid://00000629/!x-usc:http://www.ha.com/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://mhtml:{7FF92132-DBB3-44F2-AD3D-FDC60A444E53}mid://00000629/!x-usc:http://www.ha.com/" rel="nofollow"><span style="color: #0066cc"><i>www.ha.com</i></span></a><i>). My other source was CoinFacts and they had it listed as a R-4, that's why I said it could go either way (R-3 or low R-4). </i></font></font></p><p><br /></p><p><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><i>I agree on the bogus auctions and I didn't say yours is/was. I said it should be corrected so as to not violate Ebay policy. I actually look at quite a bit of your coppers, since that is what I collect but I haven't bought any from you yet, because you haven't had anything I could use or if you did, it went higher than I was willing to pay.</i></font></font></p><p><br /></p><p><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><i>As to feedback, I've seen peeps selling counterfeit coins with 100% positive feedback, so feedback isn't a great source to use to determine if the seller is legit or not, but it can be. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> I am currently trying to get a refund from a seller who sold me a counterfeit and used their 100% feedback as a selling point. I'm not sure how that will turn out since the package is stuck in Customs with no idea of when they will finally deliver it and PayPal has already closed it on me once but I got them to re-open it and that was harder than pulling teeth, if you know what I mean.</i></font></font></p><p><br /></p><p><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><i>Like I said earlier, I've looked at your coppers many times in the past and even put one of your current ones on watch, since it is one I could use in my collection but I would have deleted it if you didn't correct the listing currently being discussed. </i></font></font></p><p><br /></p><p><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><i>This past weekend I watched a 1804 half-cent being sold as a one-cent and the seller refused to correct the listing, even after several people informed him of his error and the poor smuck that bought it, paid almost $800 for it and it was a FR-2 1804 C-10 and only worth about $30. And the other auction wasn't as bad, he just listed a 1800/79 as a 1800/1798 and didn't understand there was a difference in the two (1800/1798 is a 1st hair style and a 1800/79 is a 2nd hair style). Needless to say, he did finally correct it but only after being inundated with messages from EAC collectors who also felt like I did, that it was wrong to list it as he did, since the 1st hair style commands a higher price. The poor smuck that got duped by the 1804 half-cent received all the information he needed to determine he had been had and has since received a full refund, prior to the coin being shipped out, so that turned out good also. </i></font></font></p><p><br /></p><p><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><i>So your listing isn't as bad as some I've seen recently but they wouldn't correct their error. Will you?</i></font></font></p><p><br /></p><p><font face="Arial"><font size="2">Ribbit <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></font></font></p><p><br /></p><p> </p><p>Now to see if he corrects it or not? I think he will. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p> </p><p>Ribbit <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="HandsomeToad, post: 401028, member: 12965"]On the last edition, the seller has replied: [I]Thanks for the help. You know I am going by what my Great-Uncle has them identified as on the 2 X 2 envelopes. He has not looked at them in about 50 - 60 years and the only book we have is the 1958 Issue of Sheldon's Penny Whimsy which supports the R-5 in this case. I am aware that as more examples of a variety are found the Rarity Scale Value is adjusted.[/I] [I]I'd think more of you if rather then suggesting FRAUD you could really be helpful and reveal your reference source. You are telling me that you have better and newer information on this penny for sure but you can not recall or are not willing to share some type of trade secret. Or , It would take 1 more sentence of effort then you have energy to type at this time? [/I] [I]Also , try to have a bit of faith. I know there is a lot of BOGUS going on in the world right now but check my feedback and what you see is what you get.[/I] I replied, in turn: [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][I]I did give you my source - Heritage (Heritage Auctions [/I][URL="mhtml:{7FF92132-DBB3-44F2-AD3D-FDC60A444E53}mid://00000629/!x-usc:http://www.ha.com/"][COLOR=#0066cc][I]www.ha.com[/I][/COLOR][/URL][I]). My other source was CoinFacts and they had it listed as a R-4, that's why I said it could go either way (R-3 or low R-4). [/I][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][I]I agree on the bogus auctions and I didn't say yours is/was. I said it should be corrected so as to not violate Ebay policy. I actually look at quite a bit of your coppers, since that is what I collect but I haven't bought any from you yet, because you haven't had anything I could use or if you did, it went higher than I was willing to pay.[/I][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][I]As to feedback, I've seen peeps selling counterfeit coins with 100% positive feedback, so feedback isn't a great source to use to determine if the seller is legit or not, but it can be. :) I am currently trying to get a refund from a seller who sold me a counterfeit and used their 100% feedback as a selling point. I'm not sure how that will turn out since the package is stuck in Customs with no idea of when they will finally deliver it and PayPal has already closed it on me once but I got them to re-open it and that was harder than pulling teeth, if you know what I mean.[/I][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][I]Like I said earlier, I've looked at your coppers many times in the past and even put one of your current ones on watch, since it is one I could use in my collection but I would have deleted it if you didn't correct the listing currently being discussed. [/I][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][I]This past weekend I watched a 1804 half-cent being sold as a one-cent and the seller refused to correct the listing, even after several people informed him of his error and the poor smuck that bought it, paid almost $800 for it and it was a FR-2 1804 C-10 and only worth about $30. And the other auction wasn't as bad, he just listed a 1800/79 as a 1800/1798 and didn't understand there was a difference in the two (1800/1798 is a 1st hair style and a 1800/79 is a 2nd hair style). Needless to say, he did finally correct it but only after being inundated with messages from EAC collectors who also felt like I did, that it was wrong to list it as he did, since the 1st hair style commands a higher price. The poor smuck that got duped by the 1804 half-cent received all the information he needed to determine he had been had and has since received a full refund, prior to the coin being shipped out, so that turned out good also. [/I][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][I]So your listing isn't as bad as some I've seen recently but they wouldn't correct their error. Will you?[/I][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Ribbit :)[/SIZE][/FONT] Now to see if he corrects it or not? I think he will. :) Ribbit :)[/QUOTE]
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