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<p>[QUOTE="rhoggman, post: 403372, member: 13987"]Ok here goes.... No one would give you that kind of deal if they "knew the facts". So I cannot really accept your argument that dealers are knowledgeable because they are dealers. No one would come to terms on a "deal" of that sort with full knowledge of what they were doing.</p><p><br /></p><p>My local dealer often doesn't know what he is talking about, but I go to him for advice anyways. He has been involved in the hobby far longer than I have, and he can teach me things. I keep my mouth shut when I know he is wrong.</p><p><br /></p><p>It is a real world example... Read "Tales from the Bourse" by David Lawrence. pg 12 The Excitement of Coin Collecting... Also published in Coin World. He speaks of someone cherrypicking varieties worth several thousand dollars for a couple of hundred bucks.... dealer to dealer.</p><p><br /></p><p>It may not be the exact same example but the point is it can, does, and has happened. The frequency of such happenings has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that your argument is subjective and not based on a set standard</p><p><br /></p><p>If someone came to me, and asked what they had, and if I would like to purchase it from them I would be morally wrong to mislead them to get a god deal.... If someone says "hey would you give me $10 bucks for this roll of quarters without asking me anything else" it would not really be wrong for me to say yes if I knew more about the quarters than they did. Their lack of knowledge is my gain and vice versa.</p><p><br /></p><p>All I am really saying is my knowledge doesn't make me a bad person. Someone else's lack of knowledge does make them uninformed. </p><p><br /></p><p>I will restate the scenario...... either way you sell the coin you withhold knowledge to get a good deal...... Nobody would willingly give you the terms below, or for that matter 5 for 50, 2 for 20, or 1 for 10.... unless they were just being nice.</p><p><br /></p><p>"Do you think a coin dealer would sell you a $5,000 coin for $20 if he knew it were a $5,000 coin? Of course not. By your standards if you knew the coin was worth $5,000 and you bought it for $20 it would be ok because a dealer is supposedly knowledgeable. However, if you made the same transaction with a man off the street it is immoral. Also I'm sure you would be withholding information if you knowingly purchased this coin from the dealer under these circumstances, because if you exercised your own morality in this case you would not receive the coin for $20."[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="rhoggman, post: 403372, member: 13987"]Ok here goes.... No one would give you that kind of deal if they "knew the facts". So I cannot really accept your argument that dealers are knowledgeable because they are dealers. No one would come to terms on a "deal" of that sort with full knowledge of what they were doing. My local dealer often doesn't know what he is talking about, but I go to him for advice anyways. He has been involved in the hobby far longer than I have, and he can teach me things. I keep my mouth shut when I know he is wrong. It is a real world example... Read "Tales from the Bourse" by David Lawrence. pg 12 The Excitement of Coin Collecting... Also published in Coin World. He speaks of someone cherrypicking varieties worth several thousand dollars for a couple of hundred bucks.... dealer to dealer. It may not be the exact same example but the point is it can, does, and has happened. The frequency of such happenings has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that your argument is subjective and not based on a set standard If someone came to me, and asked what they had, and if I would like to purchase it from them I would be morally wrong to mislead them to get a god deal.... If someone says "hey would you give me $10 bucks for this roll of quarters without asking me anything else" it would not really be wrong for me to say yes if I knew more about the quarters than they did. Their lack of knowledge is my gain and vice versa. All I am really saying is my knowledge doesn't make me a bad person. Someone else's lack of knowledge does make them uninformed. I will restate the scenario...... either way you sell the coin you withhold knowledge to get a good deal...... Nobody would willingly give you the terms below, or for that matter 5 for 50, 2 for 20, or 1 for 10.... unless they were just being nice. "Do you think a coin dealer would sell you a $5,000 coin for $20 if he knew it were a $5,000 coin? Of course not. By your standards if you knew the coin was worth $5,000 and you bought it for $20 it would be ok because a dealer is supposedly knowledgeable. However, if you made the same transaction with a man off the street it is immoral. Also I'm sure you would be withholding information if you knowingly purchased this coin from the dealer under these circumstances, because if you exercised your own morality in this case you would not receive the coin for $20."[/QUOTE]
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