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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 3665076, member: 19463"]I strongly disagree! Photos are perfectly capable of showing all we need to tell some coins are fake. Some fakes are obvious from the worst cell phone photo taken from too far back and poorly exposed. They can be separated by feel in some cases. What can never be proven by even the best photo is that a coin is genuine. I might go so far as to say that we can never prove a coin is <u>certainly</u> genuine no matter who has seen it, analyzed its metal, sawed it in half or whatever. The <u>opinion</u> of guys like Barry Murphy and David Vagi might be right 99.9% of the time but saying that should be taken as an offence to them because it suggests they make a mistake in every thousand coins they see. Since they see that number in a week (that number is a guess but I stand open for correction) I hate to accuse them of slabbing 365 fakes a year so I'll guess their rate may be closer to 99.99% or 99.999% <u>in hand</u>. I also suggest that many people can be right up to 99% of the time <u>from photos</u> but that really is not all that great accuracy when you think of how many coin photos some of us see every day. </p><p><br /></p><p>I hope my personal in-hand error rate is 99.9% which means my 3000+ coin accumulation might only have three fakes I do not know about. I could deal with that. (I wonder which three they are???) I am not claiming that level of expertise so I'll back off to 99% and feel really bad if I own the 30 fakes that suggests. Of course, I cheat and I recommend each of us cheat by avoiding coins we can not accept fully. In the last year I have walked away from a dozen coins that made me worry. Of them, lets guess six were fake and I was just plain wrong on the others. I apologize to those coins. </p><p><br /></p><p>As I have said many times, we can not, must not let the possibility of a 0.1% or even 1% error rate ruin the hobby for us. If we make a $100 error every so often, we might just chalk it up as tuition in the numismatic school of hard knocks. Those who can not deal with this might be better off collecting something else.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 3665076, member: 19463"]I strongly disagree! Photos are perfectly capable of showing all we need to tell some coins are fake. Some fakes are obvious from the worst cell phone photo taken from too far back and poorly exposed. They can be separated by feel in some cases. What can never be proven by even the best photo is that a coin is genuine. I might go so far as to say that we can never prove a coin is [U]certainly[/U] genuine no matter who has seen it, analyzed its metal, sawed it in half or whatever. The [U]opinion[/U] of guys like Barry Murphy and David Vagi might be right 99.9% of the time but saying that should be taken as an offence to them because it suggests they make a mistake in every thousand coins they see. Since they see that number in a week (that number is a guess but I stand open for correction) I hate to accuse them of slabbing 365 fakes a year so I'll guess their rate may be closer to 99.99% or 99.999% [U]in hand[/U]. I also suggest that many people can be right up to 99% of the time [U]from photos[/U] but that really is not all that great accuracy when you think of how many coin photos some of us see every day. I hope my personal in-hand error rate is 99.9% which means my 3000+ coin accumulation might only have three fakes I do not know about. I could deal with that. (I wonder which three they are???) I am not claiming that level of expertise so I'll back off to 99% and feel really bad if I own the 30 fakes that suggests. Of course, I cheat and I recommend each of us cheat by avoiding coins we can not accept fully. In the last year I have walked away from a dozen coins that made me worry. Of them, lets guess six were fake and I was just plain wrong on the others. I apologize to those coins. As I have said many times, we can not, must not let the possibility of a 0.1% or even 1% error rate ruin the hobby for us. If we make a $100 error every so often, we might just chalk it up as tuition in the numismatic school of hard knocks. Those who can not deal with this might be better off collecting something else.[/QUOTE]
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