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<p>[QUOTE="Michael K, post: 3496382, member: 78298"]You can't smelt and refine in your own home. Whether it is legal or not. The fire danger, toxic fumes, and equipment needed would not be cost effective.</p><p>In many other threads it has been explained that hoarding copper is a waste of time and money. For example, storage has costs. Even if it is in your own home, you are still paying to store it, since you aren't able to use that space for other things. The containers you keep them in may have some initial cost. Which detracts from your bottom line.</p><p>Transportation. When the time comes to schlep all these barrels of coins to the smelter, you have to do the work of getting them on and off a truck, plus the gas costs and the time involved. Copper cents are alloyed and the spot price is for Grade A copper. Alloyed copper brings 25% of the spot price. While the all time high for copper is $4.58 a pound, it is currently $2.89. They are still mining copper and it is unlikely to get to (at least) $6 a pound for 50 years if at all. And that's just to break even. All of the people hoarding copper are in for a rude awakening. Now you decide to cash them in at face value, which is the higher return.</p><p>You think a bank is going to just take your million pennies with no service fee? So now you have given up and decide to use the Green Monster, Coin Star at 11%. Now every $10,000 that you have in pennies is yielding you $8900. Save yourself the time and money and start cashing them in at face value now, before you end up taking a loss in the future. Also, if you wait 20 years to get $8900 on your $10,000 investment, with inflation, you'll be lucky to have $4000 worth of purchasing power for your $10,000.</p><p><br /></p><p>It's the old joke. We are losing money on every shipment. Yeah, but we are going to make that up in volume.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Michael K, post: 3496382, member: 78298"]You can't smelt and refine in your own home. Whether it is legal or not. The fire danger, toxic fumes, and equipment needed would not be cost effective. In many other threads it has been explained that hoarding copper is a waste of time and money. For example, storage has costs. Even if it is in your own home, you are still paying to store it, since you aren't able to use that space for other things. The containers you keep them in may have some initial cost. Which detracts from your bottom line. Transportation. When the time comes to schlep all these barrels of coins to the smelter, you have to do the work of getting them on and off a truck, plus the gas costs and the time involved. Copper cents are alloyed and the spot price is for Grade A copper. Alloyed copper brings 25% of the spot price. While the all time high for copper is $4.58 a pound, it is currently $2.89. They are still mining copper and it is unlikely to get to (at least) $6 a pound for 50 years if at all. And that's just to break even. All of the people hoarding copper are in for a rude awakening. Now you decide to cash them in at face value, which is the higher return. You think a bank is going to just take your million pennies with no service fee? So now you have given up and decide to use the Green Monster, Coin Star at 11%. Now every $10,000 that you have in pennies is yielding you $8900. Save yourself the time and money and start cashing them in at face value now, before you end up taking a loss in the future. Also, if you wait 20 years to get $8900 on your $10,000 investment, with inflation, you'll be lucky to have $4000 worth of purchasing power for your $10,000. It's the old joke. We are losing money on every shipment. Yeah, but we are going to make that up in volume.[/QUOTE]
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