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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;+VGO.DVCKS, post: 4879701, member: 110504&quot;][USER=56653]@seth77[/USER], Yes, it took this long (--aggregate logistics? can we just not go there?), but I scanned a reasonable amount of the section of Christophe Adam&#039;s book (first name Christophe --yes, he had to help me with that, too), relating to issues of Provins and Sens.&nbsp; This starts in the 10th century, with the early &#039;GDR&#039; immobilizations, and ends with the beginnings of the &#039;peigne&#039; motif in the 11th.&nbsp; </p><p>The plates in this interval aptly demonstrate Grierson&#039;s thesis that the latter evolved from the &#039;ODO&#039; / Raoul monogram.</p><p>...Although for citations, Adam prefers 19th-c. French references (in which he must be remarkably fluent) to Grierson.&nbsp; Hmm.&nbsp; A llittle old-fashioned (relatively benign) nationalism going on here?&nbsp; Let&#039;s give it to him. :&lt;}&nbsp; Anyway, I know how frustrating it is to rely on tertiary references to secondary sources, and wanted to give you some context.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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