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<p>[QUOTE="+VGO.DVCKS, post: 4877490, member: 110504"][USER=56653]@seth77[/USER], thanks for the engaging comments! Your last one first: I am So Busted!!! No idea how I managed that.... Yes, <i>terminus <b>post</b> quem</i>.</p><p>I finally checked my copy of Boudeau, and the variation in the monogram, given that it's already immobilized in all the issues, looks slight enough to be less than conclusive about relative chronology.</p><p>...Except, Oops, here's Christophe Adam's book, partly to the rescue.</p><p>(I hope you can find a copy of this. I could send scans, once I got organized enough. --Sadly, today's supposed to be my Big Errand Day; timing is Not optimal. But anyway, here it is again: Adam, Christophe. <u>Corpus des Monnaies Feodales Champenoises</u>. Troyes, 2018. Only place Iknow of where it was for sale was CGB. Alas, they're sold out at the moment. <a href="https://www.cgbfr.com/boutique,librairie,royal-and-feudal-coins-feudal-coins,3-7-10.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cgbfr.com/boutique,librairie,royal-and-feudal-coins-feudal-coins,3-7-10.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.cgbfr.com/boutique,librairie,royal-and-feudal-coins-feudal-coins,3-7-10.html</a></p><p>At any rate, let's try to start from the top. For "Provins /Sens (10e siecle)," his Type 1 consists of issues "entre 975 et 980: monogramme type tresor de Fecamp" (pp. 34-6, no.s 62-70 inclusive). He lists 8 variants, all (as he characterizes it) with the ODO, not the Raoul monogram. Of those, none cite Boudeau; just a bunch of blanks for both him and Poey (both abbreviated in each entry, so yes, he checked). His Type 2 (again, all with versions of the ODO monogram) is "entre 980 et 996; type tresor de Troyes [a hoard with which I'm entirely unfamiliar]." (Pp. 36-8, nos. 71-76 inclusive.) Here's where we get some traction. Oddly, although he cites Boudeau 1751 for most of these, he doesn't cite any other of Boudeau's lisstings. Over pp. 40 ff., he proceeds to "Provins /Sens (11e siecle)," all of which already have the fully realized 'peigne' motif.</p><p>...His reference for le Tresor de Troyes issues would appear to be his:</p><p>Adam (Christophe), La Monnaiage de Troyes (561-1773), Versailles, 2008.</p><p>...Hope that was <i>some</i> help. But Yes, if you tried hard enough, I'll bet you could talk me into getting organized enough to send you scans. ...I fell into a scanner when someone here upgraded, and could count on one hand how many times I've used it, but that can happen. And I can try to squint out which of his variants is closest to yours. --But Hold me to that!</p><p>...The scanner is a little reminiscent of how I got my copy of Boudeau. A French collector from ebay xeroxed his copy, The Whole Thing, and mailed it to me. Free. Craziness. ...Yeah, time to pay it forward, or what?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="+VGO.DVCKS, post: 4877490, member: 110504"][USER=56653]@seth77[/USER], thanks for the engaging comments! Your last one first: I am So Busted!!! No idea how I managed that.... Yes, [I]terminus [B]post[/B] quem[/I]. I finally checked my copy of Boudeau, and the variation in the monogram, given that it's already immobilized in all the issues, looks slight enough to be less than conclusive about relative chronology. ...Except, Oops, here's Christophe Adam's book, partly to the rescue. (I hope you can find a copy of this. I could send scans, once I got organized enough. --Sadly, today's supposed to be my Big Errand Day; timing is Not optimal. But anyway, here it is again: Adam, Christophe. [U]Corpus des Monnaies Feodales Champenoises[/U]. Troyes, 2018. Only place Iknow of where it was for sale was CGB. Alas, they're sold out at the moment. [URL]https://www.cgbfr.com/boutique,librairie,royal-and-feudal-coins-feudal-coins,3-7-10.html[/URL] At any rate, let's try to start from the top. For "Provins /Sens (10e siecle)," his Type 1 consists of issues "entre 975 et 980: monogramme type tresor de Fecamp" (pp. 34-6, no.s 62-70 inclusive). He lists 8 variants, all (as he characterizes it) with the ODO, not the Raoul monogram. Of those, none cite Boudeau; just a bunch of blanks for both him and Poey (both abbreviated in each entry, so yes, he checked). His Type 2 (again, all with versions of the ODO monogram) is "entre 980 et 996; type tresor de Troyes [a hoard with which I'm entirely unfamiliar]." (Pp. 36-8, nos. 71-76 inclusive.) Here's where we get some traction. Oddly, although he cites Boudeau 1751 for most of these, he doesn't cite any other of Boudeau's lisstings. Over pp. 40 ff., he proceeds to "Provins /Sens (11e siecle)," all of which already have the fully realized 'peigne' motif. ...His reference for le Tresor de Troyes issues would appear to be his: Adam (Christophe), La Monnaiage de Troyes (561-1773), Versailles, 2008. ...Hope that was [I]some[/I] help. But Yes, if you tried hard enough, I'll bet you could talk me into getting organized enough to send you scans. ...I fell into a scanner when someone here upgraded, and could count on one hand how many times I've used it, but that can happen. And I can try to squint out which of his variants is closest to yours. --But Hold me to that! ...The scanner is a little reminiscent of how I got my copy of Boudeau. A French collector from ebay xeroxed his copy, The Whole Thing, and mailed it to me. Free. Craziness. ...Yeah, time to pay it forward, or what?[/QUOTE]
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