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Message:: [QUOTE="900fine, post: 397563, member: 6036"]Here's what I think is sad about this guy's complaining (talking about the the original crack-out man, NOT the CT poster)... NGC said if he provided all the proof he stood a good chance of getting the original grade of MS64DPL. They did not promise, nor would any reasonable person expect them to. As it is, they upgraded him from MS63 to MS64. I can understand why he's unhappy, but "he knew the job was dangerous when he took it". It's just sour grapes, plain and simple. The dude has no case. I think what's really happening is this : In his mind...<ul> <li>old holders are from an era when standards are "proven" to more strict</li> <li>this is in an old holder</li> <li>surely, it should upgrade</li> <li>Send it in ! Get rich quick !</li> </ul>Folly. What he fails to understand is many are thinking that way, and the old holders have been thoroughly picked over. The vast majority which are likely upgrades have been broken out - though there are still a few around, I suppose. An upgrade attempt should be based solely on the coin's merits, not what kind of holder it's in. Upgrade the coin, not the holder ![/QUOTE]