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<p>[QUOTE="NPCoin, post: 397462, member: 5629"]Ditto, except for the excerpt that I quoted. I do not believe it is necessarily a fact that people, for the most part, make a "mistake" grading their raw coins. Remember that grading is subjective, and I'm not using that as an excuse either.</p><p><br /></p><p>Amongst the varied TPG's, I am sure we can all agree that they have their own set of standards that are used. NGC most certainly does not have the same standards as SEGS, and neither does SEGS have the same standards as PCGS. ANACS will certainly be said to have a different standard than coins in a PCI slab.</p><p><br /></p><p>It is not necessarily a simple difference in the abilities of the graders, either. PCGS will not tolerate a grader who cannot grade in accordance with the standards that they implement through their policies and procedures. Their graders must have a specific method, if not philosophy, in their grading. Likewise, a grader will not simply move from NGC to ANACS, without at least the slightest "re-educating" into their own standards.</p><p><br /></p><p>Though the TPGs may mostly have a common root in their standards, they are not the same standard. I would liken it to the Romance languages. A person who is fluent in Spanish will have a pretty easy time with Portuguese. Latin and Italian, though with different fluctuations in accenting words, and pronunciation, can pretty much be made at least a little sense of by someone who is fluent in Spanish. Likewise, someone who speaks French, may have a hard time at it, but can get along, I am sure, in a Spanish speaking environment, provided that the speech is slow enough and pronounced hard enough to correlate the word roots.</p><p><br /></p><p>If something has the same root, the derivatives can be very similar. That is why MS66 can vary between TPGs. Although they may have a common root in their grading standards, there are still minute differences. TPGs that hold more in common to the root standard, come closer to being "crossed over" successfully.</p><p><br /></p><p>And in this is the problem. Not that "non-professional" individuals do not know how to grade, nor that they grade incorrectly, per se. But, the problem is that there are so many different "standards", that individuals tend to have a most definite bias (and no, hatred has NOTHING to do with the word bias. It simply is defined as a leaning, or preference) toward a certain standard, all their own, that they grade their coins on.</p><p><br /></p><p>A person who is in the practice of cracking out for resubmissions have a plethora of standards to consider. With coin in hand, a person can pretty much make a determination of a grade within a point. However, the plastic does actually cover quite a bit. For a few, this may be a valid reason as to why they may choose to crack out rather than to resubmit in holder.</p><p><br /></p><p>Without the plastic, flaws that may have been dulled are more easily determined, as well as perfections in areas the plastic indicated possible imperfection. In our bias, we may prefer the standard used by ANACS, and be able to submit to ANACS with 99% accuracy. But, submitting to PCGS, using that same standard, may bring our percentage down to 60% success within a two point spread.</p><p><br /></p><p>Even "the professionals" do not try to play the game by multiple rules. This is the only mistake that I see with people that miss the point on the crack out game. They can sometimes let the slab insert cloud their judgment, use the "wrong standard", drink too much of another company's kool-aid, but I would not necessarily say that their mistake was simply improper grading because of the individual's ability</p><p><br /></p><p>Especially when it comes to a hobby where the state of the collected item is so subjective, I would not necessarily say that a "professional grader" (that is, one who grades in a professional capacity for monetary recompense) "grades right" or "grades wrong". The professional grades in accordance with the policies and procedures outlined to them by their employer. Neither will I say that the hobbyist "grades right" or "grades wrong" with any coin. Grading is subjective. What one person perceives in a coin, another may well either miss or outright disregard. Bias on color, toning, light cleaning, secondary and tertiary detractions, etc. It is all subjective.</p><p><br /></p><p>Some people tolerate more than others. And that's alright. But, really, unless you are falsely attributing the imaginary "perfect 70", or calling cull a perfectly good slider, there is really no right or wrong in grading. It is all subjective.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, when it comes to cracking out and resubmitting: If you're gonna play the game, be prepared to feel the pain.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="NPCoin, post: 397462, member: 5629"]Ditto, except for the excerpt that I quoted. I do not believe it is necessarily a fact that people, for the most part, make a "mistake" grading their raw coins. Remember that grading is subjective, and I'm not using that as an excuse either. Amongst the varied TPG's, I am sure we can all agree that they have their own set of standards that are used. NGC most certainly does not have the same standards as SEGS, and neither does SEGS have the same standards as PCGS. ANACS will certainly be said to have a different standard than coins in a PCI slab. It is not necessarily a simple difference in the abilities of the graders, either. PCGS will not tolerate a grader who cannot grade in accordance with the standards that they implement through their policies and procedures. Their graders must have a specific method, if not philosophy, in their grading. Likewise, a grader will not simply move from NGC to ANACS, without at least the slightest "re-educating" into their own standards. Though the TPGs may mostly have a common root in their standards, they are not the same standard. I would liken it to the Romance languages. A person who is fluent in Spanish will have a pretty easy time with Portuguese. Latin and Italian, though with different fluctuations in accenting words, and pronunciation, can pretty much be made at least a little sense of by someone who is fluent in Spanish. Likewise, someone who speaks French, may have a hard time at it, but can get along, I am sure, in a Spanish speaking environment, provided that the speech is slow enough and pronounced hard enough to correlate the word roots. If something has the same root, the derivatives can be very similar. That is why MS66 can vary between TPGs. Although they may have a common root in their grading standards, there are still minute differences. TPGs that hold more in common to the root standard, come closer to being "crossed over" successfully. And in this is the problem. Not that "non-professional" individuals do not know how to grade, nor that they grade incorrectly, per se. But, the problem is that there are so many different "standards", that individuals tend to have a most definite bias (and no, hatred has NOTHING to do with the word bias. It simply is defined as a leaning, or preference) toward a certain standard, all their own, that they grade their coins on. A person who is in the practice of cracking out for resubmissions have a plethora of standards to consider. With coin in hand, a person can pretty much make a determination of a grade within a point. However, the plastic does actually cover quite a bit. For a few, this may be a valid reason as to why they may choose to crack out rather than to resubmit in holder. Without the plastic, flaws that may have been dulled are more easily determined, as well as perfections in areas the plastic indicated possible imperfection. In our bias, we may prefer the standard used by ANACS, and be able to submit to ANACS with 99% accuracy. But, submitting to PCGS, using that same standard, may bring our percentage down to 60% success within a two point spread. Even "the professionals" do not try to play the game by multiple rules. This is the only mistake that I see with people that miss the point on the crack out game. They can sometimes let the slab insert cloud their judgment, use the "wrong standard", drink too much of another company's kool-aid, but I would not necessarily say that their mistake was simply improper grading because of the individual's ability Especially when it comes to a hobby where the state of the collected item is so subjective, I would not necessarily say that a "professional grader" (that is, one who grades in a professional capacity for monetary recompense) "grades right" or "grades wrong". The professional grades in accordance with the policies and procedures outlined to them by their employer. Neither will I say that the hobbyist "grades right" or "grades wrong" with any coin. Grading is subjective. What one person perceives in a coin, another may well either miss or outright disregard. Bias on color, toning, light cleaning, secondary and tertiary detractions, etc. It is all subjective. Some people tolerate more than others. And that's alright. But, really, unless you are falsely attributing the imaginary "perfect 70", or calling cull a perfectly good slider, there is really no right or wrong in grading. It is all subjective. So, when it comes to cracking out and resubmitting: If you're gonna play the game, be prepared to feel the pain.[/QUOTE]
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