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Message:: [QUOTE="Sallent, post: 3183583, member: 76194"]Well, if Vagi gets his way and coins that used to be $100 are now $900 thanks to the "plastic tax" easing the way for investors, and this forum becomes like the U.S. forum or the Coin Chat forum, where 95% of the conversation is either "MS-65 vs MS-66", "which coin is the better investment", "which coin is the most popular to buy to make money," or "which is better, NGC or PCGS," I'm done! I definitely will not take part of my time to spend it in a forum where everything is "grade, investment, re-sale value," and the history, artistic value, thrill of discovering something new, the joy of sharing research and knowledge between collectors is completely or almost completely gone. I've said it before and I stand by it, what NGC and PCGS did to U.S. coins is allow a large number of new "collectors" to come in because they could invest zero effort in actually caring and learning about grading coins, studying coins, collecting coins, the history of the coins, etc., which led to U.S. Numismatics becoming perceived more as a commodity market and less about the small thrills of learning and collecting. You see the change in the Coin Chat thread, with new collectors with ungraded coins which are considered "junk" by the community because they may not meet PCGS and NGC standard. These new collectors frequently get treated with scorn or brushed off for "wasting" the time of the established collectors for daring to change the topic from the endless debate loop of whether this coin is one point higher, one point lower, going up or down in price, or a good or bad investment. In the end, the new collector either gives up the hobby in frustration, or allows himself/herself to be programmed to see the hobby in the same commodities investment mindset as the rest.[/QUOTE]

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