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Message:: [QUOTE="coinman0456, post: 1446991, member: 18177"]Hey, I remember when collectors and thousands of dealers used the B&D system and grading uncirculated pieces was as easy as Choice, A-1, Select, Gem.  This thread has been an interesting read. ( despite some blindsided comments). For the record, I agree with Doug and disagree with Morgandude on his initial statement that came across as saying that one cannot accurately grade TPG encapsulated coins without having submitted coins to one or both of these top tier TPG's .  I beg to differ. Moving ahead to where and what I think is a main issue with both these companies, is that many of us are seeing many many coins under their individual labels that seasoned collectors such as doug, see them disregarding their own standards and rightly so questioning their " Market Acceptable " policy.  As for this poll, it has presented some interesting perceptions, but I decline to vote any of the choices. I have always kept my focus on the coin regardless of whether it was in a PCGS, NGC, ANACS, ICG or SEGS holder. If you would like to go over to the NGC Forums, there is a recent thread by Physics regarding a Franklin Half Dollar graded by NGC and approved by CAC. I think it's a good example of how they threw out their own grading standards.  Good thread.[/QUOTE]