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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Jaelus, post: 3218061, member: 46237&quot;]I completely agree with what you&#039;re saying here and never claimed otherwise. All proof-like coins are first strikes, but it does not go to say all first strikes are proof-like coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>Error coins are also produced without intention, by chance, making them special. They don&#039;t transform into not errors when they are scuffed up, and they are singled out into a major area of numismatics based on the <i>unintentional</i> method of their manufacture. Yet somehow proof-likes are just an appearance-based designation?</p><p><br /></p><p>I get what you&#039;re saying, that PL is a special surface condition, but you previously equated it to being like a hyper gem that loses its special state with wear and handling. That&#039;s not a proper analogy because wear and handling lowers the grade with PL coins, but it doesn&#039;t automatically prevent them from being PL, even with the reflectivity test being used.</p><p><br /></p><p>The other problem with that argument is that light attractive toning would enhance a hyper gem coin. Yet somehow that same toning on a PL coin which does not diminish the mirror-like surfaces, can prevent it from getting the designation?</p><p><br /></p><p>With say a FH SLQ that is worn, once the wear makes the coin lose the designation, it cannot be restored. The designation is lost because the coin has fundamentally changed. With a lightly toned PL coin, one can still see the high reflectivity in the surfaces and that they are not harmed by light toning. One can even dip the coin to remove the toning to prove that the mirrored surfaces are there on the coin, unchanged. Can you think of another case in numismatics where a correctly applied designation on a coin can be lost due to toning and then correctly restored again after a dip?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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