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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Jaelus, post: 3216843, member: 46237&quot;]I don&#039;t agree. A coin is either proof-like or not at the time it is struck. Contact marks, etc. will lower the grade, but it won&#039;t fundamentally transform the coin into something else. I have an NGC MS61 PL in my collection. By your statements above, do you think it&#039;s impossible for an MS61 to be PL?</p><p><br /></p><p>I have many friends and acquaintances that are dealers or are otherwise advanced numismatists, and due to my interest in PL coins I&#039;ve had many of them inspect my PL coins and have inspected many of theirs. While there is some subjectivity on the lower end (semi-PL coins), generally speaking people agree on a coin being PL or DPL based on visual inspection. Not one of them has ever pulled out a ruler to measure the reflection distance before weighing in on whether a coin was PL or not. The reflectivity test is not only completely unnecessary, but also erroneous.</p><p><br /></p><p>Last year I bought a 20 krajczar in an NGC PF62 slab. They slabbed it as a proof because they thought it was the 1960s restrike, but I noticed it was a prooflike that didn&#039;t have the restrike mark. I sent it in for them to correct the mistake, but although they changed it from being a restrike proof to the business strike, they changed the grade from PF62 to MS62. They refused to even give it PL. How does it make sense that the coin was proof-like enough that they literally mistook it for a proof, but not proof-like enough to get the PL designation? This is completely counterintuitive, but it was because the impairment of the surfaces made it fail the reflectivity test, despite being so obviously proof-like that it got slabbed as a proof. When the bar for getting a proof-like designation is higher than the bar for being deemed an actual proof, something is very wrong. If that doesn&#039;t perfectly illustrate what&#039;s wrong with using the reflectivity test, nothing will.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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