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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Jaelus, post: 3216682, member: 46237&quot;]A proof is a proof based on the method of manufacture. A toned proof is still a proof, regardless of the impact on reflectivity.</p><p><br /></p><p>A proof-like coin is proof-like based on the method of manufacture also. It is otherwise a business strike that is produced as one of the initial strikes (typically 100-150 coins) from a pair of newly-polished dies that impart a complete mirror-like finish on both surfaces. Likewise, a toned proof-like coin is still a proof-like coin. The fields are still mirrored. Anyone looking at the coin can <i>see with their own eyes </i>that the fields are fully mirrored.</p><p><br /></p><p>I say the reflectivity distance test is arbitrary because I view the test failing toned mirrored coins not as an indicator that the coins are not proof-like, but as an indicator that <i>the test itself</i> is flawed as it fails to detect a legitimate proof-like coin. The very idea that you can have a proof-like coin, let it sit out and acquire some light toning, and then say it is no longer a proof-like coin, is the very height of absurdity.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I zeroed in on a different part of your initial post than you did here: &quot;<i>However, in other places they also state that if and when a coin is intentionally made to have the PL DPL qualities that those coins are not eligible for the designations.</i>&quot; The graders are familiar with US coins, but they cannot possibly be familiar enough with all world coins that when confronted with a given coin they can say whether or not a PL look is typical for that type/date, and it is not practical for them to test <i>every</i> world coin for reflectivity.</p><p><br /></p><p>You suppose that PL world coins that get slabbed without the designation are being tested and failing and then later are being measured against a different metric. I think the simplest and most probable explanation is that they just aren&#039;t in the habit of checking world coins for PL. When I explicitly call them and ask them to check before the coins get shipped, lo and behold, a high percentage of the coins get the designation. Previously when I didn&#039;t call and ask them to check, <i>none</i> of the coins were getting the designation. It would be too much of a coincidence for the reason to be from different people reviewing the coins for PL at those exact times.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Thanks for the example. Also, very nice ducat.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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