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<p>[QUOTE="Seattlite86, post: 3601905, member: 59737"]Let's say that I tell you something random is a "fact" but don't tell you where I learned said "fact". You then you question me if it's true. Instead of me providing you support to my claim, I turn around and tell you that YOU must now prove ME wrong, and that if you can't, I'm correct. I've now shifted the burden of proof for MY own claim to you. I can literally make any claim and as long as you can't prove me wrong, it must be right. That's called an argument from ignorance logical fallacy.</p><p><br /></p><p>Why am I asking him for facts? Because he made a claim that included statistics and hard numbers. Baseball often throws out a claim without evidence and expects it to be taken at face value. In this instance, Baseball has simply contradicted micbraun, but had not proven him wrong. I've simply asked Baseball to demonstrate this claim "Many of the top value coins are graded but not even close to 95% are graded other than maybe if you limit to <b><i><u>million</u></i></b> <b><u><i>dollar</i></u></b> plus coins" Please note that he used million dollar plus, not $100K. Perhaps he was also using hyperbole, but he needs to be called out on it just as readily as micbraun did.</p><p><br /></p><p>And I'm not making any rules up (ridiculous accusation), nor have I made any claims that require me to support. Baseball failed to do much beyond contradicting micbraun with his own opinion, which he attempts to pass off as facts.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, if you're done wasting my time, and pretending to speak for baseball, I'm waiting for [USER=76863]@baseball21[/USER] to show me proof of his claim, or admit that it's merely his opinion, or that he was being hyperbolic. Edit: or he simply could've said micbraun cannot support his own claim and that it's unlikely to be true, vs claiming his numbers about million dollar plus to be true.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]963995[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Seattlite86, post: 3601905, member: 59737"]Let's say that I tell you something random is a "fact" but don't tell you where I learned said "fact". You then you question me if it's true. Instead of me providing you support to my claim, I turn around and tell you that YOU must now prove ME wrong, and that if you can't, I'm correct. I've now shifted the burden of proof for MY own claim to you. I can literally make any claim and as long as you can't prove me wrong, it must be right. That's called an argument from ignorance logical fallacy. Why am I asking him for facts? Because he made a claim that included statistics and hard numbers. Baseball often throws out a claim without evidence and expects it to be taken at face value. In this instance, Baseball has simply contradicted micbraun, but had not proven him wrong. I've simply asked Baseball to demonstrate this claim "Many of the top value coins are graded but not even close to 95% are graded other than maybe if you limit to [B][I][U]million[/U][/I][/B] [B][U][I]dollar[/I][/U][/B] plus coins" Please note that he used million dollar plus, not $100K. Perhaps he was also using hyperbole, but he needs to be called out on it just as readily as micbraun did. And I'm not making any rules up (ridiculous accusation), nor have I made any claims that require me to support. Baseball failed to do much beyond contradicting micbraun with his own opinion, which he attempts to pass off as facts. Now, if you're done wasting my time, and pretending to speak for baseball, I'm waiting for [USER=76863]@baseball21[/USER] to show me proof of his claim, or admit that it's merely his opinion, or that he was being hyperbolic. Edit: or he simply could've said micbraun cannot support his own claim and that it's unlikely to be true, vs claiming his numbers about million dollar plus to be true. [ATTACH=full]963995[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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