Featured NEWP - c. 1740 Klippe with a HORSE!

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by brg5658, Jun 18, 2014.

  1. brg5658

    brg5658 The Horse Coin Guy

    Yesterday (Tuesday, June 17) I received the early bird notice from CRO around 10:59am. Usually I'm not somewhere where I can take a look at the offerings immediately, but yesterday I was lucky that I was. I saw one new offered piece there that just blew me away.

    Something close to my heart, of course, in that it was a horse design. But, it has a lot more going for it than just that. It was also square (a Klippe), had amazing toning on both sides, and had a super-cool city scene on the reverse of the coin that I just fell in love with. All of this wrapped up in a coin about the size of a USA quarter dollar. A mere 8 minutes after I received the email, I shot an email off to John Agre at CRO, and within an hour (and a lunch break) after that the deal was sealed and paid in full. :)

    I will just say that John is a class act. He entertained my request to see a slab shot so I could get a reference for the size of the coin. He answered a few questions I had immediately -- I mean, within minutes!! He was very straightforward with me, not pressuring me into making a decision but frankly and softly letting me know that the coin had been popular (a total of 6 calls to purchase if after mine!) -- and so he wanted to be fair in the first-come first-serve order of things. As my first buying experience with CRO, I would give it a 5-stars rating all around, and it even gets better...

    The coin arrived at my front door 23 hours and 58 minutes after my first email to John. Yes, from Massachusetts to Minnesota in less than 24 hours, and with a cool CRO hat to boot! :D

    Without further ado, below is the new coin for my horse-collection, and my core collection in general. It's just as lovely in hand as it is in these images from CRO. I have one more horse-related item on it's way to me, but then I'll be on a bit of a buying hiatus for a while.




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  3. Aidan_()

    Aidan_() Numismatic Contributor

    Where was it minted? The basic info 'bout the coin? I want know! (also fantastic piece)
  4. longnine009

    longnine009 Most Exalted Excellency

    It's a beauty! Is it Stuttgart?
  5. brg5658

    brg5658 The Horse Coin Guy

    It is listed on the NGC holder as:

    (1740-1760) Germany Silver 2 Ducat

    I have been researching a bit what the mintage may be, etc. but I suspect it will take me a while to get to a good coin description. Usually I do that research before purchasing a coin, but I know this one would have been long gone by the time I did that. More to come...but I am pretty giddy with this coin, so I wanted to at least post the images. :D
  6. Aidan_()

    Aidan_() Numismatic Contributor

    Do you know what city it is on the reverse?
  7. brg5658

    brg5658 The Horse Coin Guy

    Yes, the city on the reverse is Stuttgart.
  8. Bayern1900

    Bayern1900 Member

    It is the city of Stuttgart.
  9. Aidan_()

    Aidan_() Numismatic Contributor

    Had to do a :facepalm:. Ahem, here's a better question: whats the specific alloy, is it just silver or?
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  10. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    that is an absolutely fantastic coin!
  11. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem


    => very cool coin!! ... congrats

    Please tells us more about this lil' winner if and when you discover more of its sweet secrets!! (crazy cool addition ... I'm totally jealous)
  12. TIF

    TIF Always learning. Supporter

    That is gorgeous. What a fascinating coin!
  13. Hotpocket

    Hotpocket Supreme Overlord

    That really is gorgeous. And the corners are in really good condition - I typically see a lot of klippe/square coins with "rounded" off corners from wear (since they are square the corners are the first thing to go).

    Beautiful coin. I am jealous! :jawdrop:
  14. brg5658

    brg5658 The Horse Coin Guy

    I can't find much information about this particular issue so far. I did find reference to the coin / design in a 1765 work indexed on Google Books. I also found reference to the coin in a book of German proverbs/wisdom published in 1877. I will try to snap some photos of the coin with greater zoom, to bring out some of the amazing and small details soon.


    Schwäbische Merckwürdigkeiten, oder kleine Abhandlungen, Auszüge und vermischte Nachrichten von Schwäbischen Sachen: zum Dienst und Vergnügen hoher und niedriger, gelehrt- und ungelehrter Personen. By Johann Jacob Moser, Ulm, 1765

    Page 408; item 277.
    Square ducat.
    Obverse: The city of Stuttgart. Below, “Stuttgardia.”
    Reverse: A stud, with a foal, and the surrounding text “Well raised youth makes one happy”

    And a scan of page 408 from the book (I added the yellow highlighting the coin in question):

  15. Gnomey

    Gnomey Active Member

    I am not sure what the etiquette is regarding asking what it cost you...but if it isn't rude for me to ask (correct me if it is), but I would love to know how much something like that costs so I can add it to my wish list.
  16. brg5658

    brg5658 The Horse Coin Guy

    I will send you a PM. :)
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  17. fred13

    fred13 Junior Member

    Lovely coin Brandon :)
  18. brg5658

    brg5658 The Horse Coin Guy

    I got around to taking my own versions of images of this coin tonight. Below are the shots. I had the disadvantage of imaging it through plastic, whereas the CRO images were pre-slabbing.

    My composite image, with NGC label and dimensions

    Images including the slab/prongs (for reference of color and to see how it's holdered).
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  19. brg5658

    brg5658 The Horse Coin Guy

    Some close-ups, with a small scale of 1 mm for reference

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  21. Hotpocket

    Hotpocket Supreme Overlord

    Its amazing how much detail they were able to get on such a small coin, even back in the 1700's. Yet they were still pooping outside and hadn't figured out indoor plumbing...
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