New Vandal purchase

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by ValiantKnight, Nov 10, 2014.

  1. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    The recent talk and sharing of Vandal coins prompted me to actively search for another Vandal coin to add to my collection, specifically one I can attribute to them with certainty. Fortunately I was able to find this very nice example.

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    This may look like an anonymous unofficial imitative ("barbarous"), but the style of it pretty much matches (at least in my view) that of known cross-within-wreath coins of Hilderic, such as those below (first is from Tantalus and second is from Coinproject):

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    On closer inspection of my coin, I also believe I see the letters IL from the obverse legend HILD REX.

    My coin's attribution:

    Hilderic, Vandal Kingdom
    AE nummus
    Obv: HILD [REX], pearl-diademed, draped, cuirassed bust right
    Rev: Cross potent within wreath, ring above
    Mint: Carthage (struck 523-530 AD)
    Ref: BMC Vandals 9
    Size: 9 mm wide

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    Hilderic ruled as King of the Vandals and Alans, who ruled a post-Roman Germanic realm in North Africa, with the capital at Carthage. He was the grandson of the famed Gaiseric, and son of Huneric, and Eudocia, the daughter of Western Roman emperor Valentinian III, meaning Hilderic was of Roman descent in addition to being Vandal. He ascended the throne in 523 when he was in his 50s or 60s, and his reign is marked by improved relations with his Catholic Christian Roman subjects (Hilderic and the Vandal nobility were Arian Christians) and by extension the Eastern Roman Empire and its ruler Justinian, who was a very good friend of Hilderic. After becoming king, Hilderic converted to Catholic Christianity, the same religion as his mother, and soon other members of the Vandal nobility converted as well. Other nobles were not pleased by this, however, and soon a coup occurred, led by Hilderic's cousin, Gelimer. Hilderic and his family were imprisoned. Emperor Justinian did not take kindly to what Gelimer had done, and after unsuccessfully negotiating for Hilderic's restoration, sent his forces to invade the Vandal Kingdom. Unfortunately Justinian was too late to save Hilderic, who was executed by Gelimer in 533, but his invasion of the Vandal Kingdom was successful and, as a result, for the first time in a century Roman rule was returned to Carthage and the rest of North Africa.
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Neat pick-up, like the reverse.
     
  4. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

  5. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    awesome little coin and write up VK!
     
  6. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Nice acquisition! I agree that the style seems to match the attributed coins, particularly in the wreath.
     
  7. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    A speculation: I wonder if the "I" at the bottom of the wreath could be the denomination, since it is a 1-nummi coin. It does happen to be from the time period when the Vandals placed the denominations on their bronze coins (4 nummi, 41 nummi).
     
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    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

  9. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I don't know these coins, so I'll ask a stupid question: how does a denomination of 41 nummi happen? I can understand a 9mm coin being 1 nummi, and then multiples like 2, 4, 8 etc., but why 41?
     
  10. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    I know I read about that somewhere but I can't for the life of me remember the source or why they made a 41 nummi :banghead:. I'll have to look that up again. I think it had something to do with being able to exchange well with the silver denominations (I could be wrong though).
     
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  11. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    i remember reading something about this as well. Although I am pretty sure the number 42. I believe it came up in a previous post about Ostrogoth revalued Imperial coins. There is a school of thought that believes that those issues are Vandalic rather than OstroGothic. On the basis that it works with their established monetary system. While the other school argues that the 42 was as you said easier to exchange with silver denominations.

    All very very fascinating.
     
  12. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Wow Jango => sweet pick-up, my cool friend ...

    Ummm, but you know that I'm gonna bring this everytime that I hear Vandal, right?


    ;)

    VANDALS IN CARTHAGE, Æ 21 NUMMI
    SOLDIER / HORSE HEAD

    Attribution: MEC 45
    Date: 523-533 AD
    Obverse: Soldier standing facing
    Reverse: Head of horse left, XXI in exergue
    Size: 20.26 mm
    Weight: 6.28 grams


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  13. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Sorry guys. When I was thinking about the Vandal denominations I couldn't remember exactly the denomination for Steve's coin type so I took a quick look and for some reason thought XX was 40. Didn't help that I mistakenly thought I remembered a 41 nummi type. Thanks for posting your coin Steve.
     
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  14. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    => it's what I do, my friend (I haunt you with my cool horse coin)

    :woot:
     
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    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

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    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    ... that's awesome (thanks, man)
     
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