new "quarter"

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by swish513, Aug 4, 2010.

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  1. hontonai

    hontonai Registered Contrarian

    Instead of pointing out his error.
    Well, that makes it OK. Everyone knows big chain stores are fair game.

    Do you honestly think Mark Twain would approve of your conduct?

    One difference is that the store cashier - probably making minimum wage - was fundamentally wrong about what coin he had. A dealer being cherrypicked is a presumed expert who knows exactly what coin he has, and happens to be unaware of some factor affecting its value.

    Another is that when cherrypicking you don't make an affirmative misrepresentation to the seller, but in this case the OP (by his silence with knowledge of the other person's mistake) misrepresented the nature of the coin.
     
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  3. Jerms

    Jerms Member

    Sheesh. Perhaps we should throw Swish into the electric chair too. Oh no, people wont go drinking with you! Boo hoo....

    Either way, nice find. Perhaps people should learn about their coinage and they wouldn't have these problems. The dag gum thing is large and yellow and is clearly unique to the other circulating coinage.
     
  4. conpewter

    conpewter Junior Member

    wwmtd ?
     
  5. micheldura2

    micheldura2 Senior Member

    swish513 did not conceal the sin,...what if the story was that he saw it, and bought it from the store.....then he would not only be a thief, but a liar. Judge not, lest ye be judged....
     
  6. beef1020

    beef1020 Junior Member

    Isn't the cashier a presumed expert on the value of the bills/coins in their drawer? Still no difference here.

    In both cases the person is doing the same thing, which you correctly point out is remaining silent 'with knowledge of the other person's mistake'. I am not saying it's right or wrong, but the two seem equivalent to me.
     
  7. Anarchos

    Anarchos Junior Member

    in retail, cashiers will not get fired or in trouble if their till dosnt balance to the penny. Most places will give their employees leyway for up to a couple dollars once in awhile. But for the most part, employees are expected to maintain a draw error of no more than 1.00.

    But still, letting the cashier know about the error of his/her way and point out it was a $1 coin would of been the right thing to do.

    In any case, the cashier DID speak up, and its not really anyone else's responsibilty to "correct" an "expert" in their job, unless its their supervisor. So im on the fence on this one. No harm done though. Good Find
     
  8. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    An expert at what? I doubt that you will find a cashier's job description anywhere in the country that requires them to know what coins were minted in 1965, 1980 or 2009 for that matter.

    Let's face it, many of the people who operate cash registers today aren't even good at basic math skills. The "computer" is telling them how much change to return to the customer.

    Chris
     
  9. Numismatist47

    Numismatist47 New Member

    One would be hard pressed to find a cashier, these days, who can count change back properly instead of dumping it all in your hand and taking a chance on it being correct.
     
  10. beef1020

    beef1020 Junior Member

    Your first argument is a straw man. They don't have to be an expert in every coin minted in every year, they just need to be an expert on the face value of the coins in their draw. If a company does not require that basic level of expertise then I am not going to shed a tear when the cash drawer doesn't tie. He got something for cheaper then he should have, from someone who should have known better but how is this different then cherrypicking?

    The second argument is just spurious.
     
  11. Inquisitive

    Inquisitive Starting 2 know something

    And it is not worth the store's time of paying the employee to get into a fight when the cashier thinks they are right. You will have to go to the supervisor, keep people on line waiting, etc.

    Is it any different then getting silver in your change?
     
  12. Antiquity

    Antiquity Junior Member

    Yes because your taking something that doesnt belong to you or more than you were owed in face value. The right thing to do would be to point out the mistake and get a nice thanks from the cashier.
     
  13. Derekg

    Derekg Member

    everytime i use dollar coins people stare at them and exam them thinking there fake lol. They once didn't accept it cause they thought they were fake money or something. Oh well :| In your case i think you were laughing inside about her comment "oh must be one of those new quarters or something" Sure... they are :p
     
  14. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    So, am I to assume that you believe all cashiers are "experts" just as all coin collectors are "experts"?

    Chris
     
  15. beef1020

    beef1020 Junior Member

    If it's your job to hand people correct change then yes, you better be an "expert" in what the face value of coins are. You don't have to be an expert in Math, because the computer can calculate that for you, but unless the register is giving out the change, you do need to be an "expert" in how much a dime is worth...

    What is controversial about this expectation, that the people handling money know the face value of it, which by the way is written on it?
     
  16. panda

    panda Junior Member

    the cashier will be fine. like has already been said, you get so much you are allowed to be off. the coin clearly says "one dollar", and is gold in color! its also bigger then a quarter, how someone does not think to at least read the coin to make sure, its even real, i don't know.

    the argument about it being better because it was a big chain store, does not make it any better. you still are hurting actual people, same as if it was a little ma&pa store. the people that invest and buy stock into the company, are mostly average people. although 75 cents is going to hurt nobody! and if some cashier can't read or is to lazy to read, they are going to hurt the company more then giving out an extra buck.

    really you could go either way on this one. yes, if this cashier had his register full of these today and has been giving them out as quarters, he will probably get fired. but who's responsibility is it to teach him? yea, its the right thing to do, to help another human, but its not your job. the store is not paying you to educate and make there employee better at their job.

    another member made a thread how he got change back the other day and two bills were stuck together, so he got an extra. nobody said a thing to him and that was a quarter more! i just can't see many people giving back and correcting the mistake of the cashier.

    either way i don't see it as a big deal, and i am one of the most honest people. some girl i barley know, went to the mall with me. i guess she dropped a $100 in my car. my friend called me the next day and said that girl lost her money and it probably aint in my car but to check. it was and i returned it. sometimes i am so honest, i am dumb.
     
  17. micheldura2

    micheldura2 Senior Member

    I bet when this thread is all said and done...ther will be twenty pages...lol

    Well, now that we know about this,we are all accessories to the crime...whoever doesn't report it is just as guilty...I am calling 411 right now...:)
     
  18. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Personally, I think that by NOT pointing out the obvious error on the clerks part that you were wrong. You took advantage of his ignorance instead or taking advantage of the "opportunity" to actually educate him.

    He might end up having to pay for your arroagnce.

    But that's just my opinion.
     
  19. jerseycat10

    jerseycat10 Peace Dollar Connoisseur

    You're one to talk about credibility. You have been over-posting and posting mis-information all over these forums.

    Examples:

    1) 1971 Silver Eisenhowers were placed in circulation (Wrong).
    2) Only types of counterfits are cast (Wrong).
     
  20. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Look, this entire thread has centered around the ethics and honesty of the person accepting a dollar coin for what should have been 36c in change. So, am I to assume that you think there was nothing wrong with what he did?

    Chris
     
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