NEW PROOF 1952 LINCOLN WITH MASSIVE 2-SIDED DIE CRACK JUST BOUGHT

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  1. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    HELLO, and greetings one and all, here is a 1952 proof Lincoln with a planchet or die crack (not sure) it starts at : 103353414_394508681469549_8456590777342666495_n.jpg 103413953_337021830615967_5392951069873212574_n.jpg 104169745_557317111820015_1749965882218078284_n.jpg 104182258_247687819859046_1272794504020760700_n.jpg IN TRUST ON OBVERSE, GOES THROUGH THE RIM (CANNOT GET A PIC, TOO MINUTE) and continues to reverse to under america on rev. alas it has fingerprints on both sides (from vendor handling, not mine!!) wrote and they knocked 5.00 off the price i paid of 24.00 they were asking 35.00 i bargained him down a bit..love the size though, what ya guys think>????
     
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  3. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    looking at it under magnification, i noticed a piece of metal on o, maybe a die chip?? or something foreign, it looks copper though...the "o" in god, on obverse
     
  4. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    $24.00? :facepalm:
    I think you should just stop mentioning how much you paid for your coins.

    BTW - Die Cracks is a Die Issue and not a Planchet issue. A worn Die will crack and the metal from the blank planchet flows into the crack when it is being struck.
     
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2020
  5. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    i think since it goes throught the rim and to the other side, that this is a planchet issue and not a die crack...and vendor rebated 5.00 for fingerprints...
     
  6. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    No.. Those are 2 different Die Cracks from each Die. Not a planchet issue. A Die does not crack a planchet.
    Such Die cracks really don't have much of a premium.
     
  7. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    That cent has more than fingerprints on it. It has been abused/circulated making it an impaired proof. A dollar coin at best.
     
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  8. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    I don't see die cracks on either side.
     
  9. nuMRmatist

    nuMRmatist Well-Known Member

    Can you get another pic or 2 ?

    Something reflecting off coin (unless there IS circ. damage ? )

    ed.:
    Does that vendor have other stuff for sale?

    If they knocked off $5, from $35, and charged you $24, I wanna' deal with 'em too !
     
  10. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    I'm sorry but..
    That still was no deal for that Cent.. That was a ripoff!
     
  11. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    for an error proof, i am glad to have gotten it for the price i paid, i will take 100 from you at that price (1.00) that is unrealistic....yes, the fingerprints are a pain, but when i bid on the item, they were not there, someone at mbarr mishandled them is all, and they did discount.....
     
  12. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    it was 35.00 to start with, made an offer for 20.00 they countered with 24.00, i accepted, then they took 5.00 off when i complained about fingerprints
     
  13. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    starts from top of head, travels through rim to other side under wheats, it is clear in pic....>????
     
  14. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    the crack goes through the rim, it is not "two" die cracks, but one continuous, so i am thinking defective planchet, kind of like when one splits?? though this one did not break...it is def. not two sepearate!!
     
  15. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    it is plain in obv and rev picture, from under "s" in united states, up to between the t and e..then goes onto rim then to back side coming out at a little past left wheat ear, then toward the right wheat ear
     
  16. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    The photos aren't the best (need closer up shots)
    but based on what I see in your photos only, they
    are not die cracks, but probably light scratches on
    the coin's surface .

    Post some better, closer photos of the two area's
    you're talking about, and I'll be glad to take another look.
     
  17. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Good luck with your Cent. I already gave my final attribution. You can't make up your own error rules. They already have been established.
    And.. You overpaid for it.
     
  18. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    a cracked planchet is not a die break...if it were a die crack, it would not go on the rim and around to the other side, so how am i making my own rules up??? or does the fact of it going throught the rim ( a noticeable line on the edge of the coin, (not shown in picures becuz too small for a camera to see) and onto the other side...it is plain that it is he planchet, and not the die breaking..just like a lamination error, or a seperated error????
     
  19. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    it is a crack that starts on one side, continues through the edge of the coin and continues oin the other side, def not a scratch, i am using a 12 yr old cell phone, i do not have expensive camera equipment, coin in hand shows it nicely...
     
  20. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    ok, used a macro lens attachment to the cellphone...i cannot do the rim anymore as i have packaged it already in a 2 x 2 holder, but, rest assured, it is a solid crack on both sides, CONNECTED THROUGH RIM, NOT A DIE BREAK.....HOPE THESE PICTURES HELP YA OUT MORE.. yes, the fingerprints suck, but i saw a proof coin with a planchet error, raw and decided to go for it, as i said previously the pictures did not show fingerprints..this is from serious mishandling on mbarr coins


    part... 104011419_266429087761901_1523557205144660337_n.jpg 104369799_359617475024106_256938967697294783_n.jpg

    it is NOT a scratch, it is not a die break, but a planchet break
     
  21. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    i have seen slabbed cracked planchet non proofs run 35-120, and proof error coins are in the thousands..no one tells me where all these 1.00 and 3.00 error copins are to be had...
     
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