New Phillip II Antoninianus

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  1. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I just got this one in the mail yesterday courtesy of @John Anthony - it is a nice antoninianus of Phillip II as Caesar. Something is very appealing about this coin, nice portrait, good reverse and it looks great in hand.

    Marcus Julius Philippus Severus, also known as Philippus II, Philip II and Philip the Younger (238–249) was the son and heir of the Roman Emperor Philip the Arab by his wife Roman Empress Marcia Otacilia Severa. According to numismatic evidence, he had a sister called Julia Severa or Severina, whom the extant literary sources do not mention, and a brother, Quintus Philippus Severus.

    When his father became emperor in 244, the younger Philip was appointed Caesar. In 247 he became consul, and was later elevated by his father to the rank of Augustus and co-ruler.

    His father was killed in battle by his successor Decius in 249. When news of this death reached Rome, Philip was murdered by the Praetorian Guard. He died in his mother's arms, aged twelve years.

    Kind of a sad ending to a Caesar and eventually co-emperor about which the historical record is virtually silent. We probably know more about Phillip II from his coinage than any other source.

    Phillip II as Caesar, A.D. 244-246

    AR Antoninianus, 25mm, 4.1 grams

    Rome, A.D. 244-246

    Obverse: M IVL PHILIPPVS CAES, radiate and draped bust right

    Reverse: PRINCIPI IVVENT, prince standing left, holding globe and spear; to left, captive seated left

    Reference RIC 219

    From the Eng Collection

    phillipII.jpg

    phillipII2.jpg

    Please post your Philip's if you wish...
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice silver.

    I just have a tet.

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    PHILIP II (247 - 249 A.D.)
    SYRIA, Seleucis and Pieria
    BILLON TETRADRACHM
    O:AVTOK K M IOVLI FILIPPOC CEB: Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right. Seen from behind.
    R: DHMARC EX OVCIAC VPATO D: Eagle standing right, wings spread, holding wreath in its beak, ANTIOXIA S C below.
    Anioch, Syria Minted: 249 AD
    26mm
    13g
    SNG Cop 1211, Prieur 473
     
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  4. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Super silver Double-D @ancient coin hunter !

    I have this Bronze version...

    RI Philip II 244-249 Nisibis Mesopotamia-farthest EAST Temple.jpg
    RI Philip II 244-249 Nisibis Mesopotamia-farthest EAST Temple
    Ex: @John Anthony - That Coin Hawker... :D
     
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  5. GerardV

    GerardV Well-Known Member

    I think this is Phillip II, but I'm not sure. In all of my searches a match for the obverse continues to elude me.

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  6. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    I have one with a goat. And apparently no obverse pic. From John Anthony.
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  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I have his Dad's Antelope!

    RI Philip I 244-249 CE AR Ant radiate zoo Antelope 1000 yr anniv Rome.jpg
    RI Philip I 244-249 CE AR Ant radiate zoo Antelope 1000 yr anniv Rome
     
  8. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Awesome!! I'd love to build a set of these.
     
  9. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Yep, the Saeculares Series is really cool. Need to collect the hippo, goat, antelope, lion, giraffe, and rhino
     
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  10. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    I saw one with a column reverse, I failed to negotiate the right price.
     
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  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The Saeculares legend makes the column seem like part of the set but it lacks the officina numeral of the others making it seem optional.
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  12. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Philip II PRINCIPI IVVENT Antoninianus.jpg
    Philip II as Caesar under Philip I, AD 244-247
    Roman AR Antoninianus 4.87 g, 23.5 mm, 11 h
    Rome, AD 245-246
    Obv: M IVL PHILIPPVS CAES, radiate and draped bust right
    Rev: PRINCIPI IVVENT, Philip II in military dress, standing left, holding globe and resting on spear
    Refs: RIC 218d; Cohen 32; RCV 9240; Hunter 3.


    Philipp II PRINCIPI IVVENT sestertius.jpg
    Philip II as Caesar under Philip I, AD 244-247
    Roman Æ sestertius, 19.61 g, 28.3 mm, 11 h
    Rome, AD 245-246
    Obv: M IVL PHILIPPVS CAES, bare-headed and draped bust right
    Rev: PRINCIPI IVVENT S C, Philip II in military dress, standing left, holding globe and resting on spear
    Refs: RIC 256a; Cohen 49; RCV 9249; Hunter 14.
     
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  13. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    That's good information to know, thank you.
     
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  14. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

  15. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    This elephant, because it is an animal likely to appear at the saecular games, seems like it ought to be part of the set, too:
    PhilipAETERNITASAVGG.jpg
    23 mm. 4.65 grams.
    Philip I, 244-249.
    IMP PHILIPPVS AVG
    AETERNITA AVGG
    elephant left guided by rider
    RIC 58. Foss 19 attributes this type to the games. I agree.
     
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  16. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Interesting OP coin, and yes the Saeculares series is fun to collect : there are way too many fun series to collec IMO....

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    Philippus II, Antonianus minted AD 246
    M IVL PHILIPPVS CAES, Radiate and draped bust of Philippus right
    PRINCIPI IVVENT, Philippus II standing left, holding globe and spear
    4.42 gr
    Cohen #48, RCV #9240

    Q
     
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  17. Daniel_R6

    Daniel_R6 Well-Known Member

    That’s a great OP coin, and a great write-up to go along with it. Quite a harrowing end for the young co-ruler.

    It’s always astonishing to see how much of the historical record can be revealed from a coin, and how much would otherwise be lost to us without it.
     
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  18. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    While it is much less popular than the animals of the SAECVLARES AVGG series, Philip's experiment with open officina coding also included six types bearing Greek numerals for the workshops. As with the Roman numeral series, officina three struck for Philip II and four for Otacilia.
    A with Virtus and PM TRP VI COS III PP
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    B with TRANQVILLITAS AVGG Tranquillitas holds a small capricorn.
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    A rare variation has the B engraved backwards.
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    Γ Philip II / VIRTVS AVGG Mars walking (See trivia question at end.)
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    Δ with Otacilia Severa / PIETAS AVGG sacrificing over altar
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    E VIRTVS AVGG with the two Phillips riding rearing horses
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    Ϛ NOBILITAS AVGG
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    Trivia:
    Notice I said the figure on A with dated legend was Virtus but the figure on Γ for Philip II that was clearly labeled VIRTVS AVGG was Mars. This is not an error. What feature is shown here that clearly separates Mars from Virtus?
     
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  19. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I am waiting to see. I believe that both are Mars
     
  20. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    AWESOME posts!!!!

    Here's one of my favorites of Philip II:

    AR Antoninianus of Philip II, (247-249 AD)
    Rome mint, 3rd Officina, 11th Emission, 249 AD
    Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    IMP PHILIPPVS AVG
    Philip I holding scepter; Philip II seated left on curule chairs
    LIBERALITAS AVGG III
    RIC IV 230; RSC 17

    phillip II antoninianus curule chair.jpg
     
  21. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    While I admit there are coins with legends that read Mars and show armored figures, I can't explain why an immoral god needs a shield. The nude figures like this Philip II reverse can only be the god since nudity was a standard attire for gods and demigods but not humans on coins. When we see an armored figure with a legend Mars Propugnator, must we assume the figure is the protector rather than the protectee?
     
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