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<p>[QUOTE="Speedy, post: 95858, member: 705"]Midas</p><p>I'm not going to start to hit my head into a wall again this year...I've already said it all once...if anyone wants to read it, search back for "Computer grading"....</p><p><br /></p><p>Computer grading was tried once (I think it was called Compugrade)...it failed...people may try it again...it will fail--</p><p>A program is made by a pregramer...a programer can make it so at times it can make a coin look better than it is...or worse than it is...there isn't any way around that...even if they made it so they couldn't do that...you are going to have more problems...what computer can say...that is dull luster..I think its been dipped...that is good stroung luster...there are many breaks in the luster...what computer can say that die crack is VAM#1A....what computer can say...that toning is AT not NT...what computer can tell a counterfit...</p><p><br /></p><p>My firend...you know I repect you alot for all of the help you have given me...but this is the time that I think you are wrong...dead wrong.</p><p>Computer grading will fail--I have serched this out...I've talked to programers who know coins..I've talked to collectors, young and old...it may happen...but its not going to go over big...and I'm sure it won't stay long...</p><p><br /></p><p>You say a computer would bring consistency...since when has a computer been consisten for anything...Computers go down, and don't work every day...I remember going to Wal-Mart once and all of the computers were down...they had to write everything down by hand and use their head...</p><p>I work with a Computer Business part of the time...computers AREN'T at the conisitency that many think they are.</p><p><br /></p><p>As for the gas thing and the Cash thinging that you put in your post...it has nothing to do with coin grading but it wouldn't be hard to rig a gas pump I wouldn't think to give .95 a gallon (I've never worked on a gas pump so I can't say for sure) and still read as 1 gallon...and how many people do you know that go and make sure that they get every single drop of every gallon...not many...most people would get away with it...but then again I don't think I know a gas store owner that is so hard up that he would do that...I think you are safe...with coin grading...I'm not so sure.</p><p><br /></p><p>You are right about one thing...the Free Market forces will drive out a bad business....just look at the many grading Co. have been put out of business because of bad grading...but NGC/PCGS/ANACS/ICG still stand...and have for years...if they were in-consistent then THEY WOULD BE OUT OF BUSINESS....and they aren't.</p><p>The free market trusts them...if they change they have the chance of losing that trust...I think ANACS is going to lose because of the taking away of the NET grades...I think ICG lost big time when they said openly that they tend to overgrade on some coins....PCGS lost lots of business when NGC came on the seen (BTW--I saw a POP report the other day and thought of you...it say that PCGS had graded 100's of this date PF70 and NGC had graded NONE in that grade!!!)</p><p>NGC lost business IMO when ICG came on the seen....they all have their ups and downs...but Computer grading is going to be a down...not a up.</p><p><br /></p><p>Again...I'm not going to post on this topic any more...I've laid out before what I and many many others think...none of that has changed...</p><p>I know you haven't changed either...and I want to thank you for that...someone that will change with the wind IMO isn't much and you have stuck by your thoughts hard.</p><p><br /></p><p>I hope you have a great day.</p><p><br /></p><p>Speedy[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Speedy, post: 95858, member: 705"]Midas I'm not going to start to hit my head into a wall again this year...I've already said it all once...if anyone wants to read it, search back for "Computer grading".... Computer grading was tried once (I think it was called Compugrade)...it failed...people may try it again...it will fail-- A program is made by a pregramer...a programer can make it so at times it can make a coin look better than it is...or worse than it is...there isn't any way around that...even if they made it so they couldn't do that...you are going to have more problems...what computer can say...that is dull luster..I think its been dipped...that is good stroung luster...there are many breaks in the luster...what computer can say that die crack is VAM#1A....what computer can say...that toning is AT not NT...what computer can tell a counterfit... My firend...you know I repect you alot for all of the help you have given me...but this is the time that I think you are wrong...dead wrong. Computer grading will fail--I have serched this out...I've talked to programers who know coins..I've talked to collectors, young and old...it may happen...but its not going to go over big...and I'm sure it won't stay long... You say a computer would bring consistency...since when has a computer been consisten for anything...Computers go down, and don't work every day...I remember going to Wal-Mart once and all of the computers were down...they had to write everything down by hand and use their head... I work with a Computer Business part of the time...computers AREN'T at the conisitency that many think they are. As for the gas thing and the Cash thinging that you put in your post...it has nothing to do with coin grading but it wouldn't be hard to rig a gas pump I wouldn't think to give .95 a gallon (I've never worked on a gas pump so I can't say for sure) and still read as 1 gallon...and how many people do you know that go and make sure that they get every single drop of every gallon...not many...most people would get away with it...but then again I don't think I know a gas store owner that is so hard up that he would do that...I think you are safe...with coin grading...I'm not so sure. You are right about one thing...the Free Market forces will drive out a bad business....just look at the many grading Co. have been put out of business because of bad grading...but NGC/PCGS/ANACS/ICG still stand...and have for years...if they were in-consistent then THEY WOULD BE OUT OF BUSINESS....and they aren't. The free market trusts them...if they change they have the chance of losing that trust...I think ANACS is going to lose because of the taking away of the NET grades...I think ICG lost big time when they said openly that they tend to overgrade on some coins....PCGS lost lots of business when NGC came on the seen (BTW--I saw a POP report the other day and thought of you...it say that PCGS had graded 100's of this date PF70 and NGC had graded NONE in that grade!!!) NGC lost business IMO when ICG came on the seen....they all have their ups and downs...but Computer grading is going to be a down...not a up. Again...I'm not going to post on this topic any more...I've laid out before what I and many many others think...none of that has changed... I know you haven't changed either...and I want to thank you for that...someone that will change with the wind IMO isn't much and you have stuck by your thoughts hard. I hope you have a great day. Speedy[/QUOTE]
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