New Hot Topic On The ANA

She's right. On all counts. Grow & expand or die. They aren't growing or expanding and refuse to do so. The internet is/was a paradigm shift that the ANA refuses to even acknowledge. They're branding and marketing sucks. New, dyanmic and most importantly, YOUTHFUL leadership is needed or at least those that understands branding / marketing & the power of the internet.

 

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If the writer is widely unpopular, it won't make a hoot in hell worth of difference whether her grammar is the King's English or not. Her detractors will simply find something else to diffuse the issue with.

My guess would be "attitude," the long-standing crutch for anyone cornered by the truth.

 

However there is a big difference between a stock call and coin web-pages or forums and being unreadable and just a bit sloppy.

You did however just lay the ground work of why so many con artists are as successful as they are. So many people so are overly concerned about fluff they pay no attention to the substance and get scammed or memorized by a great presenter. Let's be honest, it's often an excuse with her to get the conversation away from some truths that a lot of people would have been happier keeping quiet

 

Sounds like someone's jealous who complains too much.

 

Her content is excellent and she has a valid point. The ANA is archaic in nature and they need to move to the 21st century. Her grammar is horrible and a little effort to clean it up would be good. Laura Legend needs to watch the Wierd Al "Word Crimes" video. However, one area that bothers me is that she proposes a great idea but then has the excuse that she does not have time to initiate it.

Again she is correct, and to ANA show tanking is bad. I love the online university idea. The majority of universities have courses through the web. Why not the ANA? I would love to take online courses at my own pace - a trip to Colorado gets expensive and we all have also have a lot of work and family activities going on.

 

Exactly. I have a family who I love to do things with. To bad they aren't into numismatics, which is fine, they have other hobbies. But if there is vacation time or money spent within the family, it is on something we all enjoy. So that pretty much leaves out a trip to the ANA. I would love to take some courses, but I'm not dumping the family to do it.

 

I think it is feasible that the ANA can provide this.

 

I would hope the on line courses are priced more reasonably than the classroom courses. This is from my coin club's email about the upcoming VNA show:

The ANA is offering a Counterfeit Coins class in conjunction with the VNA show next month. The deadline to sign up for the class is closing in, so if you want to attend, please go to the ANA website www.money.org then pull up the “Events” tab, then go to the “Upcoming Seminars and Workshops” folder, and there you will find the “Two Day Seminar – Counterfeit U.S. Coins.”

This is a great class that would cost you well over $1000 to attend in Colorado Springs at the ANA Summer Seminar, but they are offering it with the VNA Show for only $259 if you are an ANA or a VNA member (it’s $359 if you are not a member of either the ANA or the VNA).

 

I saw that. I am a member of both the ANA and VNA but I live too far from the show location to travel in one day. So there would still be a significant cost for travel and accommodation. I would much prefer to pay a reasonable fee to be able to complete the course online in my own time. I realize, of course, that the hands on part of the experience is missing but that is a compromise I am willing to accept.

 

....and Laura is widely unpopular. With the vested interests of numismatics, the elitists whose agenda is, at best, unconcerned with the vast majority of collectors and at worst actively antagonistic to the same. And this, coming from a card-carrying member of that elite, as she is.

For the rest of us, she comes very close to being the conscience of numismatics, and speaking as a straight-up Grammar Nazi I personally could not care less about the semantics she employs. I care more about the content she provides, and if you're letting the structure of that content interfere with your opinion of the content itself, well, too bad for you.

 

I just read her letter and had no problem understanding her position. I don't know her so I didn't begin reading her letter with any bias. Sure, there were "grammar" issues but I think I completely understood what she was saying; that's most important. I also agree with most of what she wrote.

 

Good morning everyone, where to begin? IMO, this thread was "over" as soon as Doug posted his opinion. This should have been the postscript:

Santinidollar, posted: "If the writer is widely unpopular, it won't make a hoot in hell worth of difference whether her grammar is the King's English or not. Her detractors will simply find something else to diffuse the issue with. My guess would be "attitude," the long-standing crutch for anyone cornered by the truth."

wxcoin, posted: "I just read her letter and had no problem understanding her position. I don't know her so I didn't begin reading her letter with any bias. Sure, there were "grammar" issues but I think I completely understood what she was saying; that's most important. I also agree with most of what she wrote."

I agree with both members and as @baseball21 wrote: "In all honesty to put it bluntly if anyone struggles to understand that post she just made the lack of intelligence isn't on her end."

I'll confess to not seeing all the mistakes others saw. I've become so accustomed to my mistakes (always need to correct/edit my posts after reading them) and those of others here that I don't even see them as I focus on the content. Laura is intelligent. It's a good bet her mind works faster than her fingers and that SHOULD happen to all of us when we are on a rant. It has been suggested that she use spell/grammar check when she writes. I'll agree, as we are judged by the way we dress and speak. If we don't know someone all we have is their written word. Look at it this way, I once had dinner with one of the biggest, most powerful coin dealers still in the business. He ate like a pig. That did not change my opinion of his numismatic contributions or the way I hung on his every word - dripping with drool and partly chewed food!

ToughCOINS, posted: "Wrong . . . if the delivery is poor, you've got the audience distracted while thinking about the what the speaker/writer should have done, thus missing some of the content...
this is unintended misdirection, and happens all of the time in the professional world. Good delivery is critical to keeping the audience focused on the content."

See, "unintended misdirection, [no comma needed] and happens..." Now let's all cut the grammar crap as it get's really old. Furthermore, "delivery is a personal thing. Some are better writers and speakers. Reading or listening to them is more enjoyable but I'm not going to stop listening to a lecture by Stephen Hawking just because his artificial delivery makes me cringe!

modern, posted: "I would hope the on line courses are priced more reasonably than the classroom courses."

The ANA already offers correspondence courses and video presentations on grading and authentication. David Lisott sells videos of lectures given at educational forums. Most two-day courses offer more content + hands-on training and at even $600 they would be a good bargain.

I suggest you have your coin club contact Brian Silliman directly or Mike Fazzari at ICG. Both give courses and both have taught ANA classes. I was at one for the Jacksonville Coin Club recently and members paid only $100. The club made up the difference.

 

I also had no problem reading it. I don't know her and have never met her, but I can tell right off she isn't a lawyer because I didn't have to look up any of the words.

 

To me, the few mistakes aside minor punctuation, seem to be from fast typing with spellcheck errors going unchecked as if she writes it on her phone. Could she proof read before publishing, sure. But the content far outweighs the minor grammatical errors. Get over it.

 

+1

 

BTW, the content of her article is being discussed on CU . Only one member even mentioned the way she ALWAYS writes.

 

I'm still waiting for a reply to a letter I sent in 1982 regarding their advanced numismatic correspondence course--the sequel to their intermediate course that was coming soon.

 

By the way, in the middle of all these tangents, was the ANA show a disappointment? I did not go, but attendance wise it sounded pretty weak.