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<p>[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 4523296, member: 110350"]I already wrote about my new Diocletian abdication follis in the "CNG Revealing All Proxy Bids" thread, also in the context of the example that sold (astonishingly) for $800 -- see my posts beginning with <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/cng-revealing-all-proxy-bids.359919/page-10#post-4516616" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/cng-revealing-all-proxy-bids.359919/page-10#post-4516616">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/cng-revealing-all-proxy-bids.359919/page-10#post-4516616</a> -- but I might as well post it again here. As I mentioned, I bought it on VCoins from [USER=10613]@Victor_Clark[/USER] for less than 20% of the amount of the winning bid on the CNG coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>Diocletian, billon abdication Follis, 305-307 AD, Trier Mint. Obv. Laureate bust right in imperial mantle (trabea), holding olive branch and mappa, D N DIOCLETIANO BAEATISSIMO SEN AVG / Rev. Providentia standing right, holding [scroll or short scepter?] and drapery with left hand and extending right hand to Quies standing left, holding branch downward with right hand and leaning on scepter with left hand, S - F across fields, PROVIDENTIA DEORVM QVIES AVGG; PTR in exergue. 27x28 mm., 9.6 gm. RIC VI Trier 673a (p. 208), Sear RCV IV 12927. [<i>Die match to example sold by Numismatik Naumann in 2015; see <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/image.html?id=2337893" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/image.html?id=2337893" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/image.html?id=2337893</a></i>.]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1120567[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>A discussion followed about the identity of the object that Providentia holds in her left hand (which doesn't seem to appear in examples from mints other than Trier), and I ended up concluding that it's either a short scepter or a scroll. See these three examples from Trier that I found on acsearch with similar reverses. (In fact, I am 99% sure that the first one, sold by Numismatik Naumann in 2015, is a die match.) In all of them, the object held by Providentia in her left hand looks most like a scroll to me:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/image.html?id=2337893" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/image.html?id=2337893" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/image.html?id=2337893</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/image.html?id=758098" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/image.html?id=758098" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/image.html?id=758098</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/image.html?id=495836" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/image.html?id=495836" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/image.html?id=495836</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 4523296, member: 110350"]I already wrote about my new Diocletian abdication follis in the "CNG Revealing All Proxy Bids" thread, also in the context of the example that sold (astonishingly) for $800 -- see my posts beginning with [URL]https://www.cointalk.com/threads/cng-revealing-all-proxy-bids.359919/page-10#post-4516616[/URL] -- but I might as well post it again here. As I mentioned, I bought it on VCoins from [USER=10613]@Victor_Clark[/USER] for less than 20% of the amount of the winning bid on the CNG coin. Diocletian, billon abdication Follis, 305-307 AD, Trier Mint. Obv. Laureate bust right in imperial mantle (trabea), holding olive branch and mappa, D N DIOCLETIANO BAEATISSIMO SEN AVG / Rev. Providentia standing right, holding [scroll or short scepter?] and drapery with left hand and extending right hand to Quies standing left, holding branch downward with right hand and leaning on scepter with left hand, S - F across fields, PROVIDENTIA DEORVM QVIES AVGG; PTR in exergue. 27x28 mm., 9.6 gm. RIC VI Trier 673a (p. 208), Sear RCV IV 12927. [[I]Die match to example sold by Numismatik Naumann in 2015; see [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/image.html?id=2337893[/URL][/I].] [ATTACH=full]1120567[/ATTACH] A discussion followed about the identity of the object that Providentia holds in her left hand (which doesn't seem to appear in examples from mints other than Trier), and I ended up concluding that it's either a short scepter or a scroll. See these three examples from Trier that I found on acsearch with similar reverses. (In fact, I am 99% sure that the first one, sold by Numismatik Naumann in 2015, is a die match.) In all of them, the object held by Providentia in her left hand looks most like a scroll to me: [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/image.html?id=2337893[/URL] [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/image.html?id=758098[/URL] [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/image.html?id=495836[/URL][/QUOTE]
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