New Daniel Carr Morgan Dollar

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I agree that the FTC would serve the hobby better by baring its fangs -- if it has any -- at eBay instead of worrying about Carr's overstrikes. In fact, to take action against any individual while eBay is getting away with murder would reflect badly upon the agency and our government.

Something about going after those without the resources to fight comes to mind.

 

I can't remember who your talking about..... But hey, don't worry, what difference does it make?

 

Yeah... Neither can I. But that could be the whiskey talking

 

P.S. It is actually a short but sharp tongued paraphrase from the FTC:

Applying these principles here, we think it plain that a deviation of one digit in the date on a coin is not likely to distinguish it sufficiently from the original [12] to alert an "unsuspecting person of ordinary observation and care" whom the criminal counterfeit law protects, let alone the "ignorant, unthinking and credulous" who are not excluded from the protection of civil consumer law. Aronberg v. FTC, 132 F.2d 165 (7th Cir. 1942); Exposition Press, Inc. v. FTC, 295 F.2d 869 (2d Cir. 1962).

They used the word ignorant, and I said ignoramuses that were over all very stupid.

 

The HPA speaks to imitation numismatic items and imitation political items. The Mona Lisa is neither. Interestingly, in recent public comments it was suggested that the FTC regulate other fields, but the FTC held that it had no power to do so under the Hobby Protection Act.

 

Good to know our regulatory agencies hold much of the citizenry in such high esteem.

 

Read WikiLeaks for some of the stuff that is said behind closed doors.

 

That would take too long to read it all lol

 

I'm not sure how that supports this guys argument against Carr since he says the defendants were charged because "the defendants were charged with counterfeiting after restriking better date coins with numismatic value over genuine common date U.S. coins." That clearly isn't what Carr is doing since he isn't restriking "coins" with dates that were issued.

This guy was charged because he made "coins" with dates that had also been issued by the US government. Again that clearly isn't what Carr is doing.

The two examples this guy gave to discredit Carr don't even compare to what Carr is doing. I'm not sure why anyone would think it does or that it would be a valid argument.

The major problem with these arguments is that the people making them clearly have predetermined opinions and are trying to find things to fit their perspective. Fact of the matter is, it doesn't matter what any of us think or how we interpret the law, especially since it can be interpreted different way. The only people that do matter, which is the federal government, don't seem to care.

 

Y'all are just mad because the Indians are thumping the Cubbies...

 

(1) The comments were posted in a thread regarding 1964-D Peace Dollars (if I recall correctly). The U.S. Mint did in fact strike 1964-D Peace Dollars as did Carr.
(2) In that case, the defendants argued that overstriking genuine coins with new designs removed the new pieces from the purview of the counterfeiting statute. That was rejected. Obviously there are other issues that were addressed by other cases.
(3) The case is not viewed in a vacuum. To be sure, the date variation is different, but that is addressed in the other cases.
(4) Reading all of it together, each case helps undermine one of his central arguments.
(5) This is exactly the approach that courts take. When there is no exact fact pattern match, they look to each element or issue and other cases that have disposed of it or partially disposed of it.

 

Couldnt care less. It's football season

 

WHAT?!?! That's just... un-American.

 

Gonna overstrike me a Cleveland Indian's world series token.... grumble grumble.

 

Okay, at least it makes sense as to what he was talking about. I wasn't aware that those comments were in reference to the 1964 peace dollar.

 

Im from Colorado. Broncos just won the superbowl. Rockies suck. Nuggets suck. Aves are ok-ish.... Its football season!!

 

Yup. Take a bow for that statement. Or should I say, a knee

 

Nah, not mad. Just annoyed.

 

Are you kidding me? They read these forums all of the time. What about the Langbord case where they discredited their star witness due to his postings over on CU?