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<p>[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 25294389, member: 85693"]What an interesting coin [USER=135271]@The Meat man[/USER] - I really like find/research stories like this. </p><p><br /></p><p>A while back I found an interesting-looking coin on eBay that I bought without knowing anything about it. A lot of research went into figuring out what I could - but the most recent reference I could find was from the 1890s! So I guess it is safe to say it is rare: </p><p><br /></p><p>Roman Provincial Æ from Apollonia, Illyria issued for Caracalla, Hermes on the reverse. The AΠOΛΛωNIATAN legend establishes location. It is a big coin, sestertius size, 21.71 grams, 30 mm. Here it is:</p><p><br /></p><p> <a href="https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_02/6268773_ApolloniaIllyria-CaracallaHermesJan2023(0cc).jpg.6b9bda2f292b262c6873ddebfd2d0789.jpg" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_02/6268773_ApolloniaIllyria-CaracallaHermesJan2023(0cc).jpg.6b9bda2f292b262c6873ddebfd2d0789.jpg" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_02/6268773_ApolloniaIllyria-CaracallaHermesJan2023(0cc).jpg.6b9bda2f292b262c6873ddebfd2d0789.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a></p><p><br /></p><p>This is one of the prettiest Provincials in my mostly ugly collection - the portrait of a young Caracalla is very well done, and the flan preparation is so good I suspect it was modified for jewelry - it looks like it was struck in a collar. It is possible it is a modern fake. There is no edge seam, but it is very round for an ancient. </p><p><br /></p><p>There are other Severan AEs from Apollonia, including this one with a Hermes reverse for Septimius Severus: <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=975674" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=975674" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=975674</a>. Wildwinds has a big Geta, different god, but the portrait is in a similar fine style. But in general, not a lot of coins were issued in Apollonia during the Imperial era. Here it is: </p><p><br /></p><p>My problem is that I cannot find another example anywhere, except in a book from 1893. Provincials from Apollonia were apparently issued rather infrequently (see Wildwinds). RPC online does not include Caracalla yet, so that was no help to me. I enjoy it when forum members use very old references (see recent 18th C. reference Faustina posts by <a href="https://www.numisforums.com/profile/15-roman-collector/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.numisforums.com/profile/15-roman-collector/" rel="nofollow">@Roman Collector</a>). In this case, an old reference is the only clue I have about this coin. The book is on Google, fully scanned: Julius von Schlosser, <i>Beschreibung der Altgreichischen Münzen I: Thessalien, Illyrien, Dalmatien und die Inseln des Adriatischen Meeres, Epeiros</i>. (Vienna, 1893). </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=9jfDOSHqnzYC&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=%CE%91%CE%A0%CE%9F%CE%9B%CE%9B%CE%A9%CE%9D+IATAN+caracalla&source=bl&ots=tKQhIWHhqg&sig=ACfU%E2%80%A6#v=onepage&q=%CE%91%CE%A0%CE%9F%CE%9B%CE%9B%CE%A9%CE%9D%20IATAN%20caracalla&f=false" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://books.google.com/books?id=9jfDOSHqnzYC&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=%CE%91%CE%A0%CE%9F%CE%9B%CE%9B%CE%A9%CE%9D+IATAN+caracalla&source=bl&ots=tKQhIWHhqg&sig=ACfU%E2%80%A6#v=onepage&q=%CE%91%CE%A0%CE%9F%CE%9B%CE%9B%CE%A9%CE%9D%20IATAN%20caracalla&f=false" rel="nofollow">https://books.google.com/books?id=9jfDOSHqnzYC&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=ΑΠΟΛΛΩΝ+IATAN+caracalla&source=bl&ots=tKQhIWHhqg&sig=ACfU…#v=onepage&q=ΑΠΟΛΛΩΝ IATAN caracalla&f=false</a></p><p><br /></p><p>As I don't read German, or understand old coin references, I put together these notes:</p><p><br /></p><p>Julius von Schlosser book - title page and the full page on which I think mine is described:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_02/367294369_ApolloniaIllyria-CaracallaHermesstanding-GermanBooktitle.jpe.81930bc3d748a8f6c03cf89e66d1df46.jpe" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_02/367294369_ApolloniaIllyria-CaracallaHermesstanding-GermanBooktitle.jpe.81930bc3d748a8f6c03cf89e66d1df46.jpe" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_02/367294369_ApolloniaIllyria-CaracallaHermesstanding-GermanBooktitle.jpe.81930bc3d748a8f6c03cf89e66d1df46.jpe" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a> </p><p><br /></p><p>Close-up of my my coin (Nummer 138 - I left in Nummer 137 for the obverse legend), with a column header on top:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_02/1670315990_ApolloniaIllyria-CaracallaHermesstanding-GermanBookcolumns.jpe.fc3b340da083e9706f11469af8d84229.jpe" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_02/1670315990_ApolloniaIllyria-CaracallaHermesstanding-GermanBookcolumns.jpe.fc3b340da083e9706f11469af8d84229.jpe" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_02/1670315990_ApolloniaIllyria-CaracallaHermesstanding-GermanBookcolumns.jpe.fc3b340da083e9706f11469af8d84229.jpe" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a></p><p><br /></p><p>Description, Apollonia, Caracalla/Hermes (page 38, nummer 138; Englished via Google Translate):</p><p><br /></p><p>1st column: Nummer (number): 138</p><p><br /></p><p>2nd column: Metall u. Grösse (metal and size): K30</p><p><br /></p><p>3rd column: Gewicht (weight) blank</p><p><br /></p><p>Description obverse: AKMAYPH ANTωNEINOC Dgl. Legende verwischt ("legend blurred"), Berlobeerte Büste des jugendlichen Caracalla, n. r. ("bust of the youthful Caracalla with berries, n. r.").</p><p><br /></p><p>Description reverse: AΠOΛΛωN IATAN, Hermes, nackt, mit Beutel, Korykain u. Chlamys, n. l. stehend. ("Hermes, naked, with pouch, Korykain and Chlamys, l. standing.")</p><p><br /></p><p>I am not sure I am interpreting this - for one thing, there is no weight, and I am not entirely sure what size "K30" means - I hope it means 30mm. Tafel III plates do not have this coin shown, unfortunately. The legend does not quite match, but von Schlosser notes <i>Legende verwischt</i> ("legend blurred"), so that doesn't worry me too much:</p><p><br /></p><p>von Schlosser's legend: AKMAYPH ANTωNEINOC</p><p><br /></p><p>My coin's legend (mostly there, but hard to see in places): AKMAYP(no H) ANTωNE(INOC?)</p><p><br /></p><p>I'd love to fine a more recently-described example. But for now, Julius von Schlosser will have to do.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 25294389, member: 85693"]What an interesting coin [USER=135271]@The Meat man[/USER] - I really like find/research stories like this. A while back I found an interesting-looking coin on eBay that I bought without knowing anything about it. A lot of research went into figuring out what I could - but the most recent reference I could find was from the 1890s! So I guess it is safe to say it is rare: Roman Provincial Æ from Apollonia, Illyria issued for Caracalla, Hermes on the reverse. The AΠOΛΛωNIATAN legend establishes location. It is a big coin, sestertius size, 21.71 grams, 30 mm. Here it is: [URL='https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_02/6268773_ApolloniaIllyria-CaracallaHermesJan2023(0cc).jpg.6b9bda2f292b262c6873ddebfd2d0789.jpg'][IMG]https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_02/6268773_ApolloniaIllyria-CaracallaHermesJan2023(0cc).jpg.6b9bda2f292b262c6873ddebfd2d0789.jpg[/IMG][/URL] This is one of the prettiest Provincials in my mostly ugly collection - the portrait of a young Caracalla is very well done, and the flan preparation is so good I suspect it was modified for jewelry - it looks like it was struck in a collar. It is possible it is a modern fake. There is no edge seam, but it is very round for an ancient. There are other Severan AEs from Apollonia, including this one with a Hermes reverse for Septimius Severus: [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=975674[/URL]. Wildwinds has a big Geta, different god, but the portrait is in a similar fine style. But in general, not a lot of coins were issued in Apollonia during the Imperial era. Here it is: My problem is that I cannot find another example anywhere, except in a book from 1893. Provincials from Apollonia were apparently issued rather infrequently (see Wildwinds). RPC online does not include Caracalla yet, so that was no help to me. I enjoy it when forum members use very old references (see recent 18th C. reference Faustina posts by [URL='https://www.numisforums.com/profile/15-roman-collector/']@Roman Collector[/URL]). In this case, an old reference is the only clue I have about this coin. The book is on Google, fully scanned: Julius von Schlosser, [I]Beschreibung der Altgreichischen Münzen I: Thessalien, Illyrien, Dalmatien und die Inseln des Adriatischen Meeres, Epeiros[/I]. (Vienna, 1893). [URL='https://books.google.com/books?id=9jfDOSHqnzYC&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=%CE%91%CE%A0%CE%9F%CE%9B%CE%9B%CE%A9%CE%9D+IATAN+caracalla&source=bl&ots=tKQhIWHhqg&sig=ACfU%E2%80%A6#v=onepage&q=%CE%91%CE%A0%CE%9F%CE%9B%CE%9B%CE%A9%CE%9D%20IATAN%20caracalla&f=false']https://books.google.com/books?id=9jfDOSHqnzYC&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=ΑΠΟΛΛΩΝ+IATAN+caracalla&source=bl&ots=tKQhIWHhqg&sig=ACfU…#v=onepage&q=ΑΠΟΛΛΩΝ IATAN caracalla&f=false[/URL] As I don't read German, or understand old coin references, I put together these notes: Julius von Schlosser book - title page and the full page on which I think mine is described: [URL='https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_02/367294369_ApolloniaIllyria-CaracallaHermesstanding-GermanBooktitle.jpe.81930bc3d748a8f6c03cf89e66d1df46.jpe'][IMG]https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_02/367294369_ApolloniaIllyria-CaracallaHermesstanding-GermanBooktitle.jpe.81930bc3d748a8f6c03cf89e66d1df46.jpe[/IMG][/URL] Close-up of my my coin (Nummer 138 - I left in Nummer 137 for the obverse legend), with a column header on top: [URL='https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_02/1670315990_ApolloniaIllyria-CaracallaHermesstanding-GermanBookcolumns.jpe.fc3b340da083e9706f11469af8d84229.jpe'][IMG]https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_02/1670315990_ApolloniaIllyria-CaracallaHermesstanding-GermanBookcolumns.jpe.fc3b340da083e9706f11469af8d84229.jpe[/IMG][/URL] Description, Apollonia, Caracalla/Hermes (page 38, nummer 138; Englished via Google Translate): 1st column: Nummer (number): 138 2nd column: Metall u. Grösse (metal and size): K30 3rd column: Gewicht (weight) blank Description obverse: AKMAYPH ANTωNEINOC Dgl. Legende verwischt ("legend blurred"), Berlobeerte Büste des jugendlichen Caracalla, n. r. ("bust of the youthful Caracalla with berries, n. r."). Description reverse: AΠOΛΛωN IATAN, Hermes, nackt, mit Beutel, Korykain u. Chlamys, n. l. stehend. ("Hermes, naked, with pouch, Korykain and Chlamys, l. standing.") I am not sure I am interpreting this - for one thing, there is no weight, and I am not entirely sure what size "K30" means - I hope it means 30mm. Tafel III plates do not have this coin shown, unfortunately. The legend does not quite match, but von Schlosser notes [I]Legende verwischt[/I] ("legend blurred"), so that doesn't worry me too much: von Schlosser's legend: AKMAYPH ANTωNEINOC My coin's legend (mostly there, but hard to see in places): AKMAYP(no H) ANTωNE(INOC?) I'd love to fine a more recently-described example. But for now, Julius von Schlosser will have to do.[/QUOTE]
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