New Canadian Large Cents

Hello everyone!

Just picked up a really nice book of Canadian Large Cents this last week, thought I'd share them with the forum and see if we could arrive at a consensus grade for them.

@Bill in Burl - let me know what you think they are, grade-wise

1858
Pretty cool die crack/break on the reverse (it's not a scratch) running through T of CENT and the date

My guess for grade would be XF​

1876 H
Nice "woody" alloy mix, only on one side though
Also has some missing parts of the letters on the obverse

My guess for grade would be AU/Low MS



1899
My guess for grade would be mid-MS (after conservation, perhaps?)



1907 H
Another interesting alloy mix on obverse (not cleaning stripes)

My guess for grade would be AU



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How much for the 1858, before Bill gets here .... Lol ....

 

Gorgeous coins and sweet photography (congrats)

 

BTW - I'm absolutely open to other people suggesting grades for these...doesn't have to be Bill.

 

The '99 has environmental damage I think so that it may just warrant a "genuine" and it also loks to be a weaker strike.... look at the ear lobe and the hair bun. Maybe it's drawer wear. The others you have about right but, in my opinion, it's not an alloy mix that gives it the wood-grain look. It was a final wash/rinse either of the bronze sheet before planchet stamping, or just after.

Did you get these at an auction, show, or dealer? Do I know you from a previous life?

 

Wait, I graded some of these correctly? Haha...end of days, end of days!

These were purchased from a local coin shop. I always ask people if they have any foreign coins - so sometimes they actually save stuff for me...and every once in a while, it's worth it!

It's always possible that you bought some Canadian stuff from me when I listed a few items a while ago.

Thank you for the input on grades

 

Also, what do you know about that die crack on the 1858? Anything known that it matches?

 

The '58 is a Turner OC1/RB5 and it was approx 9.3% of the 1858's minted. This coin was late in the striking run, with the D/C at leaf 6 first, then the T, then leaf 7. then leaves 11 & 14.... you have all of them

 

Did you get all that stldanceartist .....

 

Next time you start a thread, you need to just put Hello Bill, Rick and Steve.
Were the only ones with comments .. lol .....

 

Is there any added interest/value to the variety?

 

Haha well...I didn't know that when I posted it. Next time, Gadget, next time...

 

I would say that there is little added premium as a whole, and maybe adding 10-15% or so if there were no marks through Vicky's hair. Some varieties are 3, 4, 5, 10X, up to 60X premiums over a normal one. When we did the 2011 Charlton variety section, we used a VF-20 1858 as the gauge for any specific variety of any other date to arrive at scarcity or easiness/difficulty to find. And that was what Charlton and Trends, following our lead, initially set the prices at. The market has dictated the value since then and, after 4+ years, we were pretty close on where we put things.

For instance, back when we wrote it, a vanilla 1859 was $10 in VF-20. We thought that to find a DP#5 in VF-20 was 40X harder to find than a similar 1858, hence a DP#5 went into Charlton at $400, or 40X more than a normal one. If you look at pgs 266-268, you will see where we initially put the premium, the "premium" definition being xx more than a normal one. Today, a DP#5 Trends at $500, 5 years later than when we did the guide. The "premium" that we established carried through across each of the grades in the 2011 Charlton, you will notice, as being XX more than a normal one in that grade. So, anyone that says that Trends doesn't chamge needs to look at the ANNUAL or BIENNIAL change, not a monthly one.

 

As we can see,the bun on top of the queen head is where the wear will start . All in all, its a very nice coin .

 

The first things that I look at is the tuft above & in front of the ear and the eyebrow.

 

Ah...I need to unpack my Charlton...

 

Love Canadian Large coppers......more so than US. US are so blah, but Canadian are so .....interesting. The designs are most exquisite while the US appear so mundane. Opinion folks, don't flame me........

 

And yet, I agree with your opinion there. At least with the large cents.

 

Year ( 1858 ) for Year (1858 ) I would have to agree, but some of the early years for u.s. cent are really nice looking