New arrival from Naville

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by H8_modern, Jun 28, 2017.

  1. H8_modern

    H8_modern Attracted to small round-ish art

    I thought this was an interesting and inexpensive lot especially with the pedigree. Please join in with your minting oddities - scoops, adjustment marks, brockage, etc.

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    L. Iulius Bursio. Denarius circa 85, AR 19mm., 3.74g. Male head r., with the attributes of Apollo, Mercury and Neptune; behind, male figure r. Rev. Victory in quadriga r., holding reins in l. hand and wreath in r.; in exergue, L·IVLI BVRSIO. Babelon Julia 5. Sydenham 728. RBW –. Crawford 352/1a.

    Marks adjustment; otherwise Extremely Fine.

    From the E.E. Clain-Stefanelli collection
     
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  3. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Wow, save for the adjustment mark right across the portrait, what remains is XF grade or higher.
     
  4. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Interesting, indeed.
     
  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I own only one coin with a "scoop", and even then I'm not sure it's not a scrape. Anyway, that's a fine coin @H8_modern
     
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  6. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    I am still looking for an example with a nice prominent Stannard scoop. Sometimes they are much less noticeable. On this Cr. 383/1 of Ti. Claudius Nero, the scoop is across the horse and victory on the reverse and was mostly obliterated during striking
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  7. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    My scoop.

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    PUBLIUS FURIUS CRASSIPES (84 B.C.)
    AR Denarius
    O: AED CVR, turretted head of Cybele right. Long oval gouge and tool mark across Cybele's head (al marco weight adjustments).
    R: Curule chair inscribed P FOVRIUS, CRASSIPES in exergue.
    Rome Mint
    3.9g
    20.5mm
    RCV 275
    Publius Furius strikes here not as moneyer, but as a special issue in his role as Curule Aedile, hence the curule chair bearing his name.
     
  8. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Mine has Stannard scoops on the reverse, but largely leaving the devices unmarred.

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  9. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

  10. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    That is a great scoop! it was so deep on the obverse that the metal was too thin to fill the reverse die so we see a shadow of it in the reverse design. The texture in the reverse indention shows that it is a shadow of the obverse scoop and not the rare example I am seeking where the same coin was scooped twice (once on each side). As a fan of scoopers, I place extra interest on the ones that show stutter marks where the tool was tapped repeatedly as it passed over the surface. Memmius below has three stutters and a large flat spot on the obverse backing it up.
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    Aemelius Paulus has 8 (my personal best - I would love to see more). This coin had very little metal removed from a very shallow scoop. I suspect it was done when the batch weight was very close to the target and they took care not to remove too much.
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  11. H8_modern

    H8_modern Attracted to small round-ish art

    The OP coin is a nice upgrade from my only other scoop coin.

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  12. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    I'm trying hard, but I still think I prefer this kind of scoop... :bag:

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  13. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I want a SCOOP! And yours is just fantastic @H8_modern ! Provenance is superb with EE Clain-Stefanelli! Well done...

    I have no scoop, regretfully, but I do have a couple minting oddities:

    BROCKAGE:
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    RR AR Denarius ERROR BROCKAGE ROMA Helmeted Head-Incuse and reverse of obverse - 2nd-1st C BCE

    DOUBLE-STRIKE:
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    RR M Furius ERROR DOUBLE-STRIKE AR Den119 BC Janus Trophy Carnyx S 156 Cr 281-1

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    RR Clodius Pulcher T Mallius AR Den 111-110 BCE ERROR Flipover Double-Strike Roma Triga Cr 299-1b S 176

    OVERSTRIKE:
    RR Anon AE Sextans-Hieron II Overstrike 214-212 BCE S1211 Cr69-6.jpg
    RR Anon AE Sextans-Hieron II Overstrike 214-212 BCE Sear 1211 Craw 69/6

    Composed of:

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    Sicily Syracuse 275-215 BC AE 19 Hieron II Poseidon-Trident - same as overstrike

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    RR Anon AE Sextans 211-206 BCE Prob Sicily-Katana mintage Craw 69/6a Sear 1211

    DREADED PLASTIC DISEASE: Modern private mint error on an Ancient...

    (Yeah, I just have not cracked it out of the PolyStyrene Coffin yet...)
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    RI Civil War VINDEX 68-69 CE AR Denarius 3.22g Gallic mint SALVS GENERIS HVMANI Victory l globe - SPQR in wreath RIC 72 BMCRE 34-36 RSC 420 RARE

    SCOOP:
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    ONLY SCOOP that I have! :( :( :( Mea Culpa!
     
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  14. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Nice OP 'scoop' coin!

    I must confess this an area I know little about. What is the latest coin with a scoop?
     
  15. Nerva

    Nerva Well-Known Member

    So is a 'scoop' where the mint removes metal from overweight coins?
     
  16. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    No. The scoop was a way of removing weight from overweight batches. Current thinking is that the Roman mint would produce batches of blanks where it was expected that X pounds of silver made Y number of blanks and the coins were weighed as a batch, as weighing individual blanks would take too long and there's little evidence that the Romans were extremely concerned with the weight of individual coins. If the batch was too heavy, random blanks were gouged to lower the weight of the batch. Too light and the batch likely had to be melted and redone, so heavy batches that could be gouged if need be were likely preferred to light batches.

    Here is a paper on the phenomenon by Clive Stannard.
     
  17. Nerva

    Nerva Well-Known Member

    Thank you - v useful link. I saw that coin at Naville and wondered why it had that big scrape.
     
  18. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    WOW!! Very interesting 'oddities'...and now I understand the reason for the scooping.

    I lack any of that type but this republican always comes to mind when I think of 'oddities' or wonder what the celator's intentions were----Malleous; Mars and Hercules/warrior, 96 BC.

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  19. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    LOL, I did NOT see that in Naville. If I KNOW the bidder handle and/or they are from CT, I will step aside in bidding. However, if I would NOT known the handle, I believe that I would have bid to win this one. @H8_modern scored a fantastic Coin! Congrats again.
     
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