New addition to my Classic Head Cent Set

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Eduard, Sep 16, 2018.

  1. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    A Sheldon-289 in a late die state. It has even surfaces, no flaws and appealing brown colour. Not a scarce variety, but in nice condition. S-289 has a large, wide date and the top leaf on reverse pointing midway between 'S' and 'O'.

    The other is a S-288, a slightly scarce variety with large date and leaf point barely beyond 'S'.

    How would you grade the S-289?

    1812 cent S-289 OBV2 N - 1.jpg 1812 cent S-289 REV1 N - 1.jpg

    1812 cent S-288 OBV1 N - 1.jpg 1812 cent S-288 REV1 N - 1.jpg
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    A very nice new addition, Eduard.
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  4. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Pretty lady. I'm not good at grading these. Maybe VF/EF.
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  5. NSP

    NSP Well-Known Member

    I’d say VF30 for the S-289 and VG10 for the S-288. Both look very nice. How many of the other varieties/dates for this series do you have?
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  6. CircCam

    CircCam Victory

    Agreed on both grades. Nice coins, Eduard.
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  7. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Thanks, guys for your comments and input on grade. Much appreciated.

    NSP, to-date I have in my collection:

    1808 S-277, 2 examples in varying die state
    1808 S-278
    1809 S-280
    1810 S-? (need to look this one up, but it is not the overdate)
    1811 S-287
    1812 S-288, S-289.
    1814 S-294

    Still missing an 1813. I am finding this one difficult to obtain for some reason.
  8. SilverDollar2017

    SilverDollar2017 Morgan dollars

    Some really nice coins!

    The S-289 looks VF-30, the S-288 VG-10.
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  9. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random nobody who doesn’t know anything...

    Lovely examples :)
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  10. Gallienus

    Gallienus Well-Known Member

    Mentioning that I collect Ancients + Latin American & Brazil, I'm going to throw in my 2 cent piece. I've always loved this type but they have been incredibly hard to find for non-specialists such as myself.

    I know I'm wrong but I'll guess VF-30 -- typed without looking at any other responses. That's how I'd grade a 1812 Brazilian 40 reis. On 2nd thought maybe a 35. No the small scattered ticks bar it from a 35, I'll say 30.
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  11. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder

    Really nice, on solid, non porous metal, very scarce as such! I'm not going to embarrass myself by trying to GTG, LOL, I'm terrible at old copper.
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  12. Eduard

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    This one may be difficult to grade if you are not familiar with how die wear (die state) affects the quality of strike.
    For example, when this coin was struck both obverse and reverse dies had seen extensive wear. This naturally affected the quality of strike, making any coins produced from the worn dies look flat and/or show other particularities, like for example 'flow' lines 'pulling' the peripheral devices (stars, legends, etc) into the rims and making it appear as though they merge with the rim.
    So, one needs to take such issues into account when evaluating the condition of early coppers.
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  13. halfcent1793

    halfcent1793 Well-Known Member

  14. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Second one F-details?
  15. just got two back from grading 1803 s-253 vg8 and 1813 ag
  16. Bert Gedin

    Bert Gedin Well-Known Member

    Eduard. Maybe (18)13 is unlucky for some !!! :depressed:
  17. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Nice to know. Thanks
  18. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Vf35 on first one
  19. beef1020

    beef1020 Junior Member

    Nice eduard!!! I'd go 20 net 15 on the 289, for digs in focal area and rim ding. I'd go straight 8 on the 288.

    Are these two the years of really terrible planchets, where the planchets were corroded before they were struck?
  20. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Thank for your comment, beef1020. I checked both Breen and the mega Red Book regarding the quality of the Classic Head planchets. Both these sources mention that planchet blanks used to coin the Classic Heads were imported from the english firm of Boulton & Watt, and that 'later dates' in this series tend to be dark and rough and also porous. The presumed reason is that the supplier used a lubricant, or change in the source of the metal used took place.

    The Red Book specifically mentions the following dates are often found on dark, rough and porous planchets: 1811 (often dark and porous) , 1812 (often dark and somewhat granular), 1813 (often dark and granular), 1814 (often dark and porous, more so than other dates).

    So, it would seem that the later dates in this series (specifically 1811-1814) are the ones which tend to be found on dark, granular, and corroded planchets.
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