Never seen this before. 2000D

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by RBurk, Apr 16, 2021.

  1. RBurk

    RBurk Active Member

    Thank you Leonard. The learning process is really rough here! If an anomaly is not easily recognizable here it is assumed that it must not be important. I know there is a good explanation for this coin, probably not mine but I've yet to see an explanation here that seems logical to my eye and mind.
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  3. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    You are 100% correct here. We have quite a few folks that are quick to judge. And even some jump on the band wagon just to post their name to it. Not all of us are the same, some of us like to teach a person what they are seeing.
    Again you are correct, the bottom line though is: not everything you see on a coin is valuable. If we just let someone thing that worthless doubling is valuable. Then we are giving participation trophy's out instead of teaching them what type of errors and variety's are the valuable ones. Mechanical errors are not valuable,
    Die deterioration is not valuable, for the most part grease filled dies aren't either. Their are very few coins that are valuable and that depends on the severity.
    True, and 99.99% are spenders.
  4. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Can you point to the doubling you see?
    Most of these DDR's that you will find are located in the central devices, It is the result of the single squeze method of making working dies. Some of us see it as MD because it is the result of a mechanical process. There are other things I see on your coin.
    Look to the inside of the furthest left column. you can see evidence of doubling but without better photos I can't tell if it is split plate doubling, die deterioration or a doubled die. Because it looks like a possible extra column with th photos you provided.
    By the way great photos.
  5. RBurk

    RBurk Active Member

    You are correct. There is extra material on the column. What does that mean to you?
  6. RBurk

    RBurk Active Member

    My wording in the title was a mistake. When I said doubling in this context I meant that the shape is very similar to the pot, and appears to begin and smoothly rises from the floor. It is obviously not conventional doubling. I thought most of the readers on this site would understand that. My mistake.
  7. RBurk

    RBurk Active Member

    That response in completely inappropriate. Cold, very cold. I am not offended, but rather chalk it up to an overblown, out of control ego.
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  8. 1stSgt22

    1stSgt22 Well-Known Member

    @RBurk Some replies on CT can be a little negative sounding but I recommend you try to ignore them and concentrate on the replies that help you learn and understand! Most members really want to help you accomplish that. I personally have been told to do more research when I had in fact done that but still was having trouble understanding. Doesn't mean I am not intelligent, but instead was just having trouble grasping/understanding the situation at that time. Good luck to you!!!
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  9. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    That is a newel post some think it is a pot but not the case.
    The flattening of the secondary device says that it is Mechanical doubling. Something you may not be seeing is the interior die break going from the top of the newel post up the column.
    These are only interesting. you can put it in a flip, maybe you will find another 2000d that matches your coin. It may show a different die state and have more evidence of what you are seeing.
  10. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    It's a zincoln...
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  11. Silverpop

    Silverpop Well-Known Member

    some think they can score big bucks with whatever they find in change cause they heard coins are a way to make big bucks but that isn't true

    most change finds are not going to be anything or worth very little this is going to be common as people start looking for more ways to make big bucks

    but this is just my in your face opinion take it with a grain of sand
  12. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    It wasn't meant for you, personally. But every bit of it is the truth. Deal with it instead of slipping into rationalization and denial to salvage what's left of your overblown ego. That'd be real big of you...
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  13. RBurk

    RBurk Active Member

    Very Interesting. I guess I've never seen that broad of doubling before - mechanical or hub. I did notice the die crack (and even mentioned it earlier, by the way). I initially wondered if it could have been an incomplete die repair because of it. Since then I'v come to realize it would probably not be worth repairing, if even possible. Do you know where I can find an example of similar broad doubles? FYI, I have known all along it's probably not worth much but I do want to find out how it happened. And thanks for the proper name for the newel post. I'd always heard it called a pot by others.
  14. RBurk

    RBurk Active Member

    Great advice, Thank you. Indeed, I am trying to understand how this one happened.
  15. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    Like all manufactured items, the process creating/producing an item requires multiple steps. Tweaking design and/or tooling is needed to achieve the desired result. Common sense would dictate that a number of samples would be needed to finalize the tools before large production runs begin. The samples made during the adjustment cycle of the tooling would normally be destroyed because they are not "the desired result" and would not intentionally be put into circulation. It it possible for samples to get into the wild? Yes, it is a possibility, however, not a probability.
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  16. RBurk

    RBurk Active Member

    Thanks for your response, Robert. I think the crack works against that possibility too. The rest of the coin though has very sharp details except for some extra metal on the fifth post. I do agree that the odds of a test coin getting out are extremely slim. Do you think it's even possible that a crack like that could be on such a test coin? In my mind that seems quite unlikely.
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  17. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Supporter! Supporter

    Interesting coin. My take is that 1) it is a Zincoln, which have a lot of anomalies, and 2) that the apparent die cracks in that area, may have something to do with it. Maybe they create a weak area that slightly flexes on the strike, causing what I would say is MD in just that one area.
    It would be interesting to see if other cents might show the same defect, but I won't be finding them, as I don't bother to look at cents minted after 1982.
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  18. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    My background experiences in a myriad of disciplines are of the "jack of all trades, master of none" but have given me what I think is a well rounded view of industry. What I have observed over the years helps me reply with an opinion when asked. Sometimes I am correct, most times not, however, I am a firm believer in "Murphy's Law. The answer to your question, IMO, is yes. In some cases when a little rework is done, too much material is removed which creates a weakness and pressure causes a crack. I have seen this happen in the tool and die business a number of times.
  19. steve westermeier

    steve westermeier Cancer sucks!

    I learned real quick not to bother all the thousands of mega 'know-it-all' expert wannabes with their 'troll' answers. Just not worth it. I guess they forgot, at one time, they were newbies!
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  20. JeffC

    JeffC Hogwarts Numismatist Apprentice Supporter

    I never knew that. A Newel Post. Will add that to other names I learned from coin designs: Fasces (Mercury Dime), Arrow Fletch (Morgan Dollar), and others I can't remember just now.
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