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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;goldducat, post: 7945657, member: 37873&quot;]Howdy Doug. Where did you get the information that the English Noble was copied from an even older coin of the Netherlands? What was this older coin type? I am not sure if you know a whole story, but regardless of this, if you fail to expand your thread, there are more unknowns than information <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> So let me explain it further.</p><p><br /></p><p>According to my knowledge and following the Dutch Encyclopedia of Coins and Banknotes, it goes like this: a NOBLE (in English, NOBEL in Dutch) is a high quality English gold coin, introduced in 1344 by Edward III (1327-1377), with a fineness of 0.995 (23 7/8 carats) and a weight of 8.86 g, soon reduced to 7.78 g in 1351 and at a rate of 2/3 British pound.</p><p><br /></p><p>At this point this is not likely this was following some older Dutch coin type, because as you see on a noble, the sculptor recalls Eduard&#039;s victory over the French in the naval battle at Sluis (1340).</p><p><br /></p><p>With the weight reduction to 7.00 g by 1412, a lighter noble was introduced; Henry Noble. Under Edward IV, in 1465 the noble was replaced by a modified type. It was called RYAL in England, and a ROZENOBEL in the Netherlands.</p><p><br /></p><p>The English noble was widely spread in the Netherlands and was frequently imitated there since 1388. i.a. in Flanders by Philip the Bold (1388-1404), John the Fearless (1404-1419) and Philip the Good (1419-1467); in Gelderland by William I (1377-1402). In 1487 a Burgundian Nobel (7.41 g, 0.99 fineness) was issued. In 1488 also a HALF NOBLE (of Austria) was minted in Brabant, Gelderland and Holland (3.40 g, 0.952 fineness) in the name of Roman King Maximilian of Austria and Philips the Fair (4th issue). The Dutch name of this half-noble is SCHUITKEN.</p><p><br /></p><p>In the last quarter of the 16th century, numerous imitations of the noble were issued by various regions and cities across the Netherlands, the first being by Ghent in 1581 (Flemish noble). Also in that period many imitations barely distinguishable from the 15th century originals were put into circulation. The English noble and his imitations were amply represented in the coin find Serooskerke (1966).</p><p><br /></p><p>See some nice scans from the <i>Encyclopedie van munten en papiergeld</i> attached. You may also read more in Ives, H.E., <i>Foreign imitations of the English noble</i>, New York 1941.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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