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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 727098, member: 112"]Eduard - </p><p><br /></p><p>There are 3 varieties for Gorinchem Rose Noble. The most common of these is what is known as the Flemish Noble - Delmonte 825ter. To look at them you would think that they are English Nobles as they have the same legends. But these are easily distinguished by having a larger flan and the quality of workmanship is lacking. These are rated as R1 coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>The next is also an R4 coin - Delmonte 825, and it is distinguished by its obv legend - EDWARD D G REG ANG M DNI AR A V DNS I D ( Edward dei gratia, rex angliae, moneta domini Arkelensis ad valorem Edwardi domini Iberniae). They are also known as the Arkel imitations. One known example is in the La Haye collection.</p><p><br /></p><p>Your coin is the 3rd variety, an R4 - Delmonte 825bis. It has a variance in the obv legend - EDWARD DI GRA REX ANGL Z FRAN DNS IB. One example is in the British Museum, I sold mine (whereabouts unknown at this time but I believe it was sold by Louis Teller in a private sale in 2007), your example, and now Conrad's.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now a Delmonte R4 means there are 2 or 3 examples known to exist. We now know of 4, 3 of which were or are owned by members of this forum. </p><p><br /></p><p>So as you can see Eduard, the legends on your coin confirm the variety.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 727098, member: 112"]Eduard - There are 3 varieties for Gorinchem Rose Noble. The most common of these is what is known as the Flemish Noble - Delmonte 825ter. To look at them you would think that they are English Nobles as they have the same legends. But these are easily distinguished by having a larger flan and the quality of workmanship is lacking. These are rated as R1 coins. The next is also an R4 coin - Delmonte 825, and it is distinguished by its obv legend - EDWARD D G REG ANG M DNI AR A V DNS I D ( Edward dei gratia, rex angliae, moneta domini Arkelensis ad valorem Edwardi domini Iberniae). They are also known as the Arkel imitations. One known example is in the La Haye collection. Your coin is the 3rd variety, an R4 - Delmonte 825bis. It has a variance in the obv legend - EDWARD DI GRA REX ANGL Z FRAN DNS IB. One example is in the British Museum, I sold mine (whereabouts unknown at this time but I believe it was sold by Louis Teller in a private sale in 2007), your example, and now Conrad's. Now a Delmonte R4 means there are 2 or 3 examples known to exist. We now know of 4, 3 of which were or are owned by members of this forum. So as you can see Eduard, the legends on your coin confirm the variety.[/QUOTE]
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