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<p>[QUOTE="Lolli, post: 5002700, member: 96900"]I do not like Cucumbor´s Hadrian consecratio Antoninianus.</p><p><br /></p><p>The strange lines look like ghost lines (representing the end of planchet of the mother), it does not show any part of the dotted border,which can not be already seen on the Lanz specimen although there is enough space on the planchet for it. It does not show any new details which are not already present on the Lanz specimen. The flan shape of the Lanz specimen is very individual due to the still present casting sprue obverse about 9 and revers about 3 o´ clock and it seems like the ghost line is coping this flan shape perfectly.</p><p>On the Lanz specimen are edge cracks on the reverse which were possibly copied, hard to tell form picture. The Lanz specimen seems to have a red copper encrustration on the I of Divus and an imprint of this encrustration seems to be copied too.</p><p><br /></p><p>My problem is that there are more of them, but they have possible same scratch in wing as the Lanz specimen but one of them has a part of dotted border which can not be seen on Lanz specimen so this dotted border must be either recut or this ghost line etc must have been in the original dies but then I would like to know an explanation what can cause use structures in original dies that can look line ghost lines, I do not think that die cracks can look similar and even if so this ghost lines are on both dies and this whould be very unlikely.</p><p><br /></p><p>I do not doubt the authenticity (I only like to get to know an eplanation how such ghost lines can be found on authetnic coins on both sides. On one side it could be in fact a damaged die but that obverse and reverse dies where damage so strange at same time is strange.</p><p><br /></p><p>So what can cause such "ghost lines"?</p><p><br /></p><p>Lanz</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=338709" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=338709" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=338709</a></p><p><br /></p><p>The other two</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7016240" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7016240" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7016240</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=36158" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=36158" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=36158</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Authentic ones, some share the same reverse die bit obverse die is hard to say, because there seem to be several very similar obverse dies only the position of the letters of the legend is sightly different. But authentic ones are without ghost lines <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.4.tr_d.87</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1200754[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1200755[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Authentic possibly one of the best or the best preserved specimen form same obverse and reverse die but pictures are really bad, but there the dotted border is fine and no ghost lines <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://issuu.com/cngcoins/docs/cng_51/148" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://issuu.com/cngcoins/docs/cng_51/148" rel="nofollow">https://issuu.com/cngcoins/docs/cng_51/148</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Lot 1305[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lolli, post: 5002700, member: 96900"]I do not like Cucumbor´s Hadrian consecratio Antoninianus. The strange lines look like ghost lines (representing the end of planchet of the mother), it does not show any part of the dotted border,which can not be already seen on the Lanz specimen although there is enough space on the planchet for it. It does not show any new details which are not already present on the Lanz specimen. The flan shape of the Lanz specimen is very individual due to the still present casting sprue obverse about 9 and revers about 3 o´ clock and it seems like the ghost line is coping this flan shape perfectly. On the Lanz specimen are edge cracks on the reverse which were possibly copied, hard to tell form picture. The Lanz specimen seems to have a red copper encrustration on the I of Divus and an imprint of this encrustration seems to be copied too. My problem is that there are more of them, but they have possible same scratch in wing as the Lanz specimen but one of them has a part of dotted border which can not be seen on Lanz specimen so this dotted border must be either recut or this ghost line etc must have been in the original dies but then I would like to know an explanation what can cause use structures in original dies that can look line ghost lines, I do not think that die cracks can look similar and even if so this ghost lines are on both dies and this whould be very unlikely. I do not doubt the authenticity (I only like to get to know an eplanation how such ghost lines can be found on authetnic coins on both sides. On one side it could be in fact a damaged die but that obverse and reverse dies where damage so strange at same time is strange. So what can cause such "ghost lines"? Lanz [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=338709[/URL] The other two [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7016240[/URL] [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=36158[/URL] Authentic ones, some share the same reverse die bit obverse die is hard to say, because there seem to be several very similar obverse dies only the position of the letters of the legend is sightly different. But authentic ones are without ghost lines :( numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.4.tr_d.87 [ATTACH=full]1200754[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1200755[/ATTACH] Authentic possibly one of the best or the best preserved specimen form same obverse and reverse die but pictures are really bad, but there the dotted border is fine and no ghost lines :( [URL]https://issuu.com/cngcoins/docs/cng_51/148[/URL] Lot 1305[/QUOTE]
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