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Message:: [QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 3142077, member: 19463"]If you feel cgb is pushing a fake on you in the first case, you should find another coin from a more trusted dealer and one where you can see the coin in person and convince yourself without asking people who are only able to see a photograph.  There is no absolute safety in collecting.  You could send the coin to three different expert services and still be wrong on a rare occasion.  In ancients, we might be 99.9% sure but there is always a chance that we are one step behind the fakers. If you refuse to deal only with dealers you trust and prefer the opinions of people on CT who tell you the coin is fake, you really should find a hobby where you can be comfortable with whatever it is you are buying.  Of the two, I prefer neither but not because one is more likely to be real. Both coins have the date off flan as do many of these with dates near the edge.  I'd hold out for one like Gavin's with date if I were looking for an edge dated coin to go with my earlier style.  BTW mine is one year older than Mat's and two older than Gavin's. If you wish you can tell me if you think mine is fake but I'm stuck; the previous owner died thirty years ago so returning is out of the question. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie25" alt=":blackeye:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[ATTACH=full]803304[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]