Need some opinions on these Morgans

Here are a few more pictures, as I had promised. I wanted to highlight the mirrors this time


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Here's a couple more

That bottom reflection is my finger.

 

I hate to belabor the obvious, but what we can see in the center two pics is the reflection off the Mylar of the 2x2, because the surface of the coin is not in focus while the type is....

All the same, the first and last pics are encouraging.

 

It is pretty much what the 82 are . I don't see DMPL

 

Unquestionably NOT DMPL. Every dealer's raw Morgan is a DMPL. Possible PL, depending on how contiguous the luster is. Forget about home reflectivity tests. TPGs have so many of those early 80s San. Francisco mint Morgans that they are tough on those dates for PL, let alone DMPL. I don't see much cameo, and that is what an 1881s or 1882s better have to be considered DMPL.

 

No.

 

Not DMPL. Likely not PL. Also, the devices DO affect the designation according to level of frost.

PCGS DM: "Clear reflection in the fields on both sides from at least 6 inches away. Must be full, undistorted reflectivity on both the obverse and reverse."

PCGS PL: "Clear reflection in the fields on both sides from 2-4 inches away. A misty effect or striations may impede the reflectivity."

NGC DPL: "Deep Prooflike. Applies only to circulation issues. The fields are deeply mirrored and the devices are heavily frosted on both sides."

NGC PL: "Applies only to circulation issues. The fields are mirrored and the devices may be frosted on both sides."

So, yes, although PCGS doesn't explicitly state that frosty devices matter, NGC does. That likely means PCGS considers it in their final determination, even if they don't openly state so.

Beyond the issue of the devices, the coins really don't seem to show strong mirroring. You'd need to look at reflectivity of the fields outside of the highly reflective mylar holders.

 

NGC will slab what you tell them to.

 

Doesn't look like DMPL

 

NGC Cert: 451143-001
Date/Info: 1903
Denomination: S$1
Grade: DELETED

NGC Price Guide: N/A
NGC Census: N/A
NGC Coin Explorer: N/A

 

I'll bet Heritage would be unhappy if they knew that; they just sold that coin a few months ago:

https://coins.ha.com/itm/morgan-dol...3-4337.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

 

I doubt Heritage would care one way or another. After the item has been sold, they essentially claim no liability. Also, since it's not possible to see when the grade was deleted, it's entirely possible the coin was not in the NGC database at the time of the sale.

 

My guess is it was reholdered by the new owner to get it out of that stupid holder; it's the only sure way NGC would have known to strike it.

 

No. When that happens, NGC/PCGS ask the owner to send the flip back, and they delete the coin entirely from their database. If that were what happened, the record simply wouldn't exist. It wouldn't show up as the right coin but with grade deleted.

Also, for the record, that coin *might* actually have mirrored fields. It's just that we can't tell from the photo.