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<p>[QUOTE="desertgem, post: 692443, member: 15199"]I have been pondering this coin for a while and decided to ask opinions. I bought it a short time ago in a deal for a group of 1909-VDB cents. It caught my eye and at first I thought someone had messed with a "S" mintmark and I found that funny, so funny I bought it to examine more closely at home. </p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq279/desertgem/1909vdb/1909vdb-obv.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq279/desertgem/1909vdb/1909vdb-rev-1.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>When I got it out of the 2x2, I noticed the rims. Now I am not new to this game.I have 4 graded mattes, one I bought raw and submitted, and I recognized that these rims were different than a normal 1909vdb cent.</p><p><br /></p><p>Normal 1909vdb :</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq279/desertgem/1909vdb/edge-b.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>This coin:</p><p><img src="http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq279/desertgem/1909vdb/edge-a.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>comparison, </p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq279/desertgem/1909vdb/edge-comp2.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq279/desertgem/1909vdb/edge-comp.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Now I know how rare a 1909VDB Matte Proof ( even impaired) would be, but I had 3 markers to look for from the posting in CU. One of my Matte references said that markers were very difficult in circulated or impaired coins so I don't really expect the photos to verify much, but They do raise an interest as I do think I can see polish lines at the nose, but I couldn't get a photo to see like my eye as I raised and lowered the focus. The other 2 markers were a die scratch from the coat to the area under the right leg of the "R" in LIBERTY. Unfortunately, toning made it difficult to say 100% it was there, but here is that photo with green arrows attempting to point out what I think it is.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq279/desertgem/1909vdb/diescr.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq279/desertgem/1909vdb/diescr-2-1.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>And the third is a chip on the right side of the M in UMUM. Here is that photo.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq279/desertgem/1909vdb/m-unum.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>So, if any of you have any 1909-VDB Matte Proofs around, do the markers and rims look reasonable? I did look at the giant photos of one in Charmy's excellent thread, but still not sure.</p><p><br /></p><p>Not matter the outcome, this coin occupied many hours and kept my mind active. It was well worth the money as a study coin! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> and I have been a good boy lately <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie7" alt=":p" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Jim[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="desertgem, post: 692443, member: 15199"]I have been pondering this coin for a while and decided to ask opinions. I bought it a short time ago in a deal for a group of 1909-VDB cents. It caught my eye and at first I thought someone had messed with a "S" mintmark and I found that funny, so funny I bought it to examine more closely at home. [IMG]http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq279/desertgem/1909vdb/1909vdb-obv.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq279/desertgem/1909vdb/1909vdb-rev-1.jpg[/IMG] When I got it out of the 2x2, I noticed the rims. Now I am not new to this game.I have 4 graded mattes, one I bought raw and submitted, and I recognized that these rims were different than a normal 1909vdb cent. Normal 1909vdb : [IMG]http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq279/desertgem/1909vdb/edge-b.jpg[/IMG] This coin: [IMG]http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq279/desertgem/1909vdb/edge-a.jpg[/IMG] comparison, [IMG]http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq279/desertgem/1909vdb/edge-comp2.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq279/desertgem/1909vdb/edge-comp.jpg[/IMG] Now I know how rare a 1909VDB Matte Proof ( even impaired) would be, but I had 3 markers to look for from the posting in CU. One of my Matte references said that markers were very difficult in circulated or impaired coins so I don't really expect the photos to verify much, but They do raise an interest as I do think I can see polish lines at the nose, but I couldn't get a photo to see like my eye as I raised and lowered the focus. The other 2 markers were a die scratch from the coat to the area under the right leg of the "R" in LIBERTY. Unfortunately, toning made it difficult to say 100% it was there, but here is that photo with green arrows attempting to point out what I think it is. [IMG]http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq279/desertgem/1909vdb/diescr.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq279/desertgem/1909vdb/diescr-2-1.jpg[/IMG] And the third is a chip on the right side of the M in UMUM. Here is that photo. [IMG]http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq279/desertgem/1909vdb/m-unum.jpg[/IMG] So, if any of you have any 1909-VDB Matte Proofs around, do the markers and rims look reasonable? I did look at the giant photos of one in Charmy's excellent thread, but still not sure. Not matter the outcome, this coin occupied many hours and kept my mind active. It was well worth the money as a study coin! :D and I have been a good boy lately :p Jim[/QUOTE]
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