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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 1013050, member: 112&quot;]Christian I have no doubt that there are some people, some dealers and collectors, in Europe that do not find harsh cleaning as being acceptable. My comments were not intended to be absolutes - meaning that every single collector and dealer in Europe did accpet it. But rather that it is far, far more commonplace for it to be acceptable there than it is here in the US.</p><p><br /></p><p>It is undeniable that the vast majority of collectors and dealers here in the US found harsh cleaning as being acceptable 50 years ago and had been accepted since the inception of collecting here in the US. That is a documented fact. It is also a documented fact that it was accepted in Europe, for that&#039;s where all of the collectors in the early years of the US came from - Europe !</p><p><br /></p><p>Now about 50 years ago, which is when I started collecting, I was taught by my grandfather that discriminating collectors did not clean their coins. He readily admited that almost everybody did, but that if I was smart I would not do so. I took his advice to heart.</p><p><br /></p><p>Over the years, more and more collectors here in the US began to feel the same way. And by the time the &#039;80s had arrived most collectors felt the same way and harsh cleaning was frowned upon. By the time the TPGs came along in the late &#039;80s harshly cleaned coins were body bagged. We all know the history from there.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now my point is this - the practice of cleaning one&#039;s coins changed here in the US. My premise is that it did not change in Europe. The grading of coins here in the US changed about the same time. It did not change in Europe. By your own admission it has still not changed in Europe. </p><p><br /></p><p>So exactly when was it that the practice of cleaning your coins, a practice that had been accepted for centuries, when was it that that practice changed in Europe ?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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