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<p>[QUOTE="ajm229, post: 65123, member: 3350"]Well, I know this discussion is about to "die" out, so I figured I'd "wear" it out ever further with my "two cents" on this "deteriorating" subject:</p><p><br /></p><p>As always, whenever anybody asks about a definition, I like to turn to a little book known as the Merriam-Webster dictionary. And after reading all of your comments, I first off have to side with Huntsman53's definition of errors and varieties, though other numerous good points were made, too.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's what the dictionary says:</p><p><br /></p><p>Error - 1. An act that through ignorance, deficiency, or accident departs from or fails to achieve what should have rightly been accomplished. 2. Variation in measurements, calculations, or observations of a quantity of objects due to mistakes.</p><p><br /></p><p>Variety: 1. The quality or state of having different forms or types (I take this to mean having differences in forms/types as accepted by the Mint, such as the variations in the 1982 Lincoln cents). 2. Something differing from others of the same general kind.</p><p><br /></p><p>Oddity: (just throwing this out there for comparison!) 1. Differing markedly from the usual or ordinary or accepted.</p><p><br /></p><p>Therefore, the conclusion that I draw from this information is that an error is any piece that comes out of the mint with a flaw such as a die crack, die break, machine doubling damage (MDD), hub doubling, actual die doubling, overpunching of dates and/or mintmarks etc., dropped lettering, removal of pieces of the coin's lettering and/or deisgn due to excessive polishing, etc., etc., etc. because such things are the result of the mint's accidental or ignorant overlooking of such mistakes in the quality control processes. </p><p><br /></p><p>A variety, then, is a major design CHANGE, such as the 7 (or is it 8, now?) 1982 Lincoln cents, 1960 and '70-S small and large dates, the 1945-S Mercury dimes with the S and micro-S mintmarks, etc., etc., etc.</p><p><br /></p><p>But before you go tearing into this post, just remember that this whole debate is really <span style="color: Red">ALL semantics</span>.... Anything can be classified as a variety, error, oddity, and Tribble for all anyone else cares. It all depends on your perspective. For example, several posts have indicated to me that anything of the definition of error/variety is "damage" to the coin. However, my definition is as above, and whereas I would find machine doubling and other "mistakes" to be collectable, others see them as damage. It really all just depends on the collector, and whether he or she sees such differences in coins to be of value. If such damage/error/variety/whatever gets a number of people excited about numismatics, I don't care what you call it! It makes it all the better either way!</p><p><br /></p><p>Hope I haven't alienated too many people with this post, and thanks for a good read on this topic to everybody who shared an opinion!</p><p><br /></p><p>~AJ[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="ajm229, post: 65123, member: 3350"]Well, I know this discussion is about to "die" out, so I figured I'd "wear" it out ever further with my "two cents" on this "deteriorating" subject: As always, whenever anybody asks about a definition, I like to turn to a little book known as the Merriam-Webster dictionary. And after reading all of your comments, I first off have to side with Huntsman53's definition of errors and varieties, though other numerous good points were made, too. Here's what the dictionary says: Error - 1. An act that through ignorance, deficiency, or accident departs from or fails to achieve what should have rightly been accomplished. 2. Variation in measurements, calculations, or observations of a quantity of objects due to mistakes. Variety: 1. The quality or state of having different forms or types (I take this to mean having differences in forms/types as accepted by the Mint, such as the variations in the 1982 Lincoln cents). 2. Something differing from others of the same general kind. Oddity: (just throwing this out there for comparison!) 1. Differing markedly from the usual or ordinary or accepted. Therefore, the conclusion that I draw from this information is that an error is any piece that comes out of the mint with a flaw such as a die crack, die break, machine doubling damage (MDD), hub doubling, actual die doubling, overpunching of dates and/or mintmarks etc., dropped lettering, removal of pieces of the coin's lettering and/or deisgn due to excessive polishing, etc., etc., etc. because such things are the result of the mint's accidental or ignorant overlooking of such mistakes in the quality control processes. A variety, then, is a major design CHANGE, such as the 7 (or is it 8, now?) 1982 Lincoln cents, 1960 and '70-S small and large dates, the 1945-S Mercury dimes with the S and micro-S mintmarks, etc., etc., etc. But before you go tearing into this post, just remember that this whole debate is really [COLOR=Red]ALL semantics[/COLOR].... Anything can be classified as a variety, error, oddity, and Tribble for all anyone else cares. It all depends on your perspective. For example, several posts have indicated to me that anything of the definition of error/variety is "damage" to the coin. However, my definition is as above, and whereas I would find machine doubling and other "mistakes" to be collectable, others see them as damage. It really all just depends on the collector, and whether he or she sees such differences in coins to be of value. If such damage/error/variety/whatever gets a number of people excited about numismatics, I don't care what you call it! It makes it all the better either way! Hope I haven't alienated too many people with this post, and thanks for a good read on this topic to everybody who shared an opinion! ~AJ[/QUOTE]
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