need help with coins out of my wheelhouse...

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by ziggy9, Nov 23, 2020.

  1. ziggy9


    Hi folks
    I need some help with some coins that are out of my wheelhouse

    1. 9.5g. 23mm
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    2. 11.4g 22mm
    IMG_0254 (2).JPG IMG_0253 (2).JPG

    3. 13.9g 23mm
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    4. 7.9g 20mm
    IMG_0259 (2).JPG IMG_0258 (2).JPG

    5. 4.8g 15 mm
    IMG_0259 (2).JPG IMG_0260 (2).JPG

    thanks for the help
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  3. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Variety Collector

    Im afraid that I wont be much help....however that Owl is one of the nicest ive ever seen.
    Two thumds up..
    Hang tight someone from the dark side should be viewing your specimens soon.
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    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Right, consider the source, but the first one is an Athenian tetradrachm, likely just a little later than the iconic ones from around the earlier-mid 5th c. BCE.
    Coin 2 is the most fun from here. At first, the lettering looked Armenian, as in the medieval Cilician ones. Now I'm not so sure it's even Syriac. The motifs evoke some fun combination of influences from somewhere in Central - South Asia.
    3 is a Ptolemaic tetradrachm, Egypt, c. 3rd-1st c. BCE. The Greek (and finding an online keyboard, from here, could be another ten minutes) for 'Ptolemy' is very clear on the left of the reverse. Doesn't help you much, since they were as thick as Louis ...s in France. They're nearly all readily attributable, though, by people who know what they're doing.
    4 (and 5?) is from the kingdom of Amisus (AMI[...S]OY), c. 2nd-1ST c. BCE. From here, neither reverse is familiar.
    ...I'm out of my league here, but the monogram, "MR", in the upper left of the clearer one, Might be as easy as the prevailing royal name, Mithridates.
    Here's what Wiki has to say about the kingdom at large.
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  5. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    This shouts fake. No Athenian tet weighs that little and I believe I have seen the style before. I am not sure about the others.
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  6. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Variety Collector

    Well no wonder ive never seen one as nice....i dont collect but yeah it does look to good.
  7. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    The "Athenian tetradrachm" should weigh about 17 grams.
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  8. Parthicus

    Parthicus Well-Known Member

    #2 is a ramatanka (a Hindu temple token from India). There are many varieties, this seems to be the most common design: first side depicts Rama and his brother Lakshmana standing, other side has Rama and his wife Sita seated on throne, Lakshmana holding parasol to left and the monkey-god Hanuman to right. Most were struck in the 19th or first half of 20th centuries. The legend is just "Rama Sata" (Sita) repeated over and over. Type 4704 in Michael Mitchiner's "Oriental Coins and Their Values Volume 2: Non-Islamic States and Western Colonies AD 600- 1979".

    Agree that #1 looks dodgy. The weight especially bothers me.
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    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Does Mitchener say anything about what alphabet that is?
  10. Parthicus

    Parthicus Well-Known Member

    Mitchiner states that it is written in Gurmukhi, which is the writing system used for Punjabi. For far more information than you probably want, check out the Wikipedia article:
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  11. ziggy9


    I was wondering if #1 may be a didrachm. Closer to the weight
  12. Sulla80

    Sulla80 one coin at a time Supporter

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  13. ziggy9


    that settles that one, thanks!
  14. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    ...Just, next time, don't preemptively accuse me of wanting less information! Especially where linguistic dynamics are concerned. I went from your link straight to this one:
    ...noting that the alphabet is a separate branch of the common prototype of both ancient South Arabian and Phoenician ones. ...Ancient South Arabian script (notably from Himyarite coins, c. 1st-2nd c. CE) has pronounced affinities with Aksumite script, which, along with medieval Armenian, is based on Syriac. The takeaway from here is that there is in fact a common Semitic element going on.
  15. Broucheion

    Broucheion Supporter! Supporter

    Hi @ziggy9,

    Coin#3, the Ptolemaic, is a year 5 of Ptolemy XII (11 Sept. 77 - 10 Sept. 76 BCE).

    - Broucheion
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