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<p>[QUOTE="cwtokenman, post: 83304, member: 2100"]I will make no claim as to knowledge of authenticity of this piece, but I can tell you it is not J201/P210. That id pattern, which Pollock rates as rarity 8 (2-3 known) in his 1994 book, does indeed use reverse die A, but the photos posted by the OP are of the B reverse die. </p><p><br /></p><p>The A (and C) reverse die has an open "E" in "ONE", while "B" and "D" reverse dies have a closed "E". The tip of the leaf closest to the "C" is well above the base of the "C" for the B reverse die, and about even with the base of the "C" for the D reverse die.</p><p><br /></p><p>Reverse B was used with three minutely different obverses. All have a plain edge.</p><p><br /></p><p>P212 - copper-nickel (12% nickel, 88% copper) Davis-88, AW-206, Judd-180, Taxay-EP204, Breen-1924. Scarce.</p><p><br /></p><p>P213 - copper and bronze. rarity 7 (4-12 known) AW-205, Judd-181 & 182, Taxay-EP205 & 206, (not in Davis). Walter Breen reports seeing an example at the 1966 ANA Convention.</p><p><br /></p><p>P214 - Nickel alloy, (presumably 25% nickel and 75% copper) rarity 7. AW-204, Judd-183, Taxay-EP207, (not in Davis), Walter Breen reports "three of four seen in experimental nickel alloy, silvery color."</p><p>Auction price realized (also includes values for variety 217) - 1991 - $4180; 1985 - $1870.</p><p><br /></p><p>Just for a comparison, here are auction prices for P211, which used the A reverse die. 1992 - $5060; 1990 - $17050, $4840, $4400; 1988 - $5280; 1984 - $2200.</p><p><br /></p><p>GDJMSP - there is disagreement between the site you provided a link to and Pollock's book on patterns. Pollock indicates the J201/P210 is rarity 8, not unique as on the website. Also, Pollock indicates J201/P210 should have the date 1856 below the eagle. </p><p><br /></p><p>After having typed all of the above (and it may have some relevance, so I will leave it), I now have looked at the types preceding P210 instead of just the ones following. It appears that your website pics, as well as the OP's item, should have been referring to J219/P209. That is the only one that matches the design features of being dateless, closed "E" in "ONE", and high leaf by the "C".</p><p><br /></p><p>P209 - copper-nickel, plain edge, unique (?). AW-251, Judd-219, (not listed in Davis). Dr. Judd included this variety amongst the 1858 issues.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="cwtokenman, post: 83304, member: 2100"]I will make no claim as to knowledge of authenticity of this piece, but I can tell you it is not J201/P210. That id pattern, which Pollock rates as rarity 8 (2-3 known) in his 1994 book, does indeed use reverse die A, but the photos posted by the OP are of the B reverse die. The A (and C) reverse die has an open "E" in "ONE", while "B" and "D" reverse dies have a closed "E". The tip of the leaf closest to the "C" is well above the base of the "C" for the B reverse die, and about even with the base of the "C" for the D reverse die. Reverse B was used with three minutely different obverses. All have a plain edge. P212 - copper-nickel (12% nickel, 88% copper) Davis-88, AW-206, Judd-180, Taxay-EP204, Breen-1924. Scarce. P213 - copper and bronze. rarity 7 (4-12 known) AW-205, Judd-181 & 182, Taxay-EP205 & 206, (not in Davis). Walter Breen reports seeing an example at the 1966 ANA Convention. P214 - Nickel alloy, (presumably 25% nickel and 75% copper) rarity 7. AW-204, Judd-183, Taxay-EP207, (not in Davis), Walter Breen reports "three of four seen in experimental nickel alloy, silvery color." Auction price realized (also includes values for variety 217) - 1991 - $4180; 1985 - $1870. Just for a comparison, here are auction prices for P211, which used the A reverse die. 1992 - $5060; 1990 - $17050, $4840, $4400; 1988 - $5280; 1984 - $2200. GDJMSP - there is disagreement between the site you provided a link to and Pollock's book on patterns. Pollock indicates the J201/P210 is rarity 8, not unique as on the website. Also, Pollock indicates J201/P210 should have the date 1856 below the eagle. After having typed all of the above (and it may have some relevance, so I will leave it), I now have looked at the types preceding P210 instead of just the ones following. It appears that your website pics, as well as the OP's item, should have been referring to J219/P209. That is the only one that matches the design features of being dateless, closed "E" in "ONE", and high leaf by the "C". P209 - copper-nickel, plain edge, unique (?). AW-251, Judd-219, (not listed in Davis). Dr. Judd included this variety amongst the 1858 issues.[/QUOTE]
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