Need Help on Identifying Gold Dinar

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by kevin McGonigal, Oct 16, 2019.

  1. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    I am not sure the ancient forum is the right place for this coin. I guess it depends on its date. The coin is, I believe, a gold dinar weighing 4.3 grams. I have no idea what the inscriptions say and am , therefore, ignorant of its date and location. A friend who saw this coin, and does collect in this area, said it was a dinar of the Umayyads and dates to the Eighth Century AD. Maybe. I would appreciate anyone who might enlighten me on this coin and perhaps direct me to a site that has these coins so I can get a ball park estimate of its value. Thanks for any assistance IMG_1139[2191]Dinar first Side.jpg IMG_1138[2187]Dinar Other side 2.jpg
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  4. kevin McGonigal

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  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Numismatic jack of all trades & specialist in none Moderator

    I think the Ancient forum is where you're most likely to get a satisfactory answer.
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  6. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Numismatic jack of all trades & specialist in none Moderator

    FWIW, in my near-zero experience in this specialty, I'd say yep, looks consistent with how a medieval Islamic dinar should look, generally speaking, but of course I have no real help to give with attribution.

    I will say that it looks a bit shiny, so perhaps ex- jewelry?
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  7. THCoins

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  8. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    That's probably from my LED lamp 12 inches from the coin. I realize that I didn't need as much light as when imaging worn silver or dark bronze.
  9. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    Sure, I understand that from my dealings with ancients. What I really want to find out is purported age and origin. I like my coins to talk to me but whatever this one has to say I can't fathom what it might be. By the way, this coin has been in medieval portfolio for decades sandwiched between Byzantine coins. I figure they might have a lot to say to each other, but I have spent so much time and effort on my ancients that I just now decided that I have to nail down its time and place in history.
  10. Pellinore

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    Your 'other side' of the coin is upside down. It should be like this:

    Dinar Other Side.jpg

    The two 'pincer' signs at the beginning and end of the first horizontal line are a sure sign we are dealing with the obverse of a medieval Islamic coin: it's the text of the Kalima.

    You can find the date at 1-3 o'clock in this picture. I think it ends with 100 (mi'at, looking like OIO) and before that is [d or 9 = and] 1, but I may be wrong. The style suggests an Umayyad gold coin, and the date 101 would fit with that, it's 720 AD.

    The weight is pretty important, and I think you should need an electronic scale that goes into the .01-s. But 4.3 grams looks o.k.
    However, to decide about the style... that's for experts.
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  12. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

    Date is not on the side Pellinore copied the picture of, but on the other side. Pellinore probably misread "rasul Allah" for "bism Allah". Date looks to be 87AH.
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  13. Pellinore

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    Grrr, thanks for correcting me.
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