Log in or Sign up
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
Coin Forums
>
Ancient Coins
>
Need Help Identifying Phrygia, Peltae - Caracalla
>
Reply to Thread
Message:
<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24872781, member: 26430"]The rare part is the reverse legend ending "ΜΗΤΡΟΒΙΟΥ," as I understand. (Especially w laureate bust of Caracalla.)</p><p><br /></p><p>Two likely specimens, one recent, one very old:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ma-shops.com/noel/item.php?id=60895" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ma-shops.com/noel/item.php?id=60895" rel="nofollow">On MA-Shops right now</a> (cited as SNG Cop 642 Var., which is the radiate bust w this rev. Same dealer's <a href="https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/nbnumismatics/109/product/phrygia_peltai_caracalla_ae21_strategos_magistrate_metrobios_fortuna_standing_left/1737627/Default.aspx" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/nbnumismatics/109/product/phrygia_peltai_caracalla_ae21_strategos_magistrate_metrobios_fortuna_standing_left/1737627/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow">listing on VCoins</a> & for <a href="https://www.delcampe.net/en_GB/collectables/coins-banknotes/coins-antique/roman/province/phrygia-peltai-caracalla-ae21-strategos-magistrate-metrobios-fortuna-standing-1805438188.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.delcampe.net/en_GB/collectables/coins-banknotes/coins-antique/roman/province/phrygia-peltai-caracalla-ae21-strategos-magistrate-metrobios-fortuna-standing-1805438188.html" rel="nofollow">auction on Delcampe</a>??)</p><p><br /></p><p>It was also <a href="https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/tom_vossen/165/product/phrygia_peltai_caracalla_198217_ad_ae_21mm_534_gm_strategos_magistrate_metrobios_cf_sng_copenhagen_642/1728851/Default.aspx" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/tom_vossen/165/product/phrygia_peltai_caracalla_198217_ad_ae_21mm_534_gm_strategos_magistrate_metrobios_cf_sng_copenhagen_642/1728851/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow">in Tom Vossen's inventory</a> previously.</p><p><br /></p><p>There's another one listed in ISEGRIM that looks like a very close fit, same the magist./Strategos (named Metrobios as on yours), albeit with a slightly longer legend (I don't know of there could've been two duovirs or if that's just the fuller name of the same person, but worth checking): ΠΕΛΤΗΝΩΝ ΜΑ ΑΡΧΟΝΤΟΣ ΜΗΤΡΟΒΙΟΥ</p><p><br /></p><p>It was in the Imhoof-Blumer collection. ISEGRIM gives these two references:</p><p><br /></p><p>IMHOOF KM S284,10(1)</p><p>[1901/1902, KLEINASIATISCHE MUENZEN VOL 1, 2]</p><p><br /></p><p>COLL IMHOOF(1)</p><p>[WINTERTHUR]</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://isegrim.dasr.de/isegrim_neu/test2014.php" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://isegrim.dasr.de/isegrim_neu/test2014.php" rel="nofollow">http://isegrim.dasr.de/isegrim_neu/test2014.php</a></p><p><br /></p><p>That coin should be in the Munzkabinett Winterthur now. I don't think Winterthur's coin collection is online, but itwas published in 4 vols. by H. Bloesch, 1987-1997. There are also much older publications of Imhoof-Blumer's collection illustrated by Leon Dardel's engravings. (I have the older at home, quite beautiful.) Not sure if the coin will be illustrated in either.</p><p><br /></p><p>Note: I think your coin should probably be cataloged as naming Metrobios for the magistrate/strategos (not the more common one, T. Mar. Tat. Arionos, strategos). Metrobios is also named on specimens w/ Caracalla wearing radiate crown, and <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=Metrobios+geta&category=1-2&lot=&date_from=&date_to=&thesaurus=1&images=1&en=1&de=1&fr=1&it=1&es=1&ot=1&currency=usd&order=3" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=Metrobios+geta&category=1-2&lot=&date_from=&date_to=&thesaurus=1&images=1&en=1&de=1&fr=1&it=1&es=1&ot=1&currency=usd&order=3" rel="nofollow">for Geta</a>, et al.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24872781, member: 26430"]The rare part is the reverse legend ending "ΜΗΤΡΟΒΙΟΥ," as I understand. (Especially w laureate bust of Caracalla.) Two likely specimens, one recent, one very old: [URL='https://www.ma-shops.com/noel/item.php?id=60895']On MA-Shops right now[/URL] (cited as SNG Cop 642 Var., which is the radiate bust w this rev. Same dealer's [URL='https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/nbnumismatics/109/product/phrygia_peltai_caracalla_ae21_strategos_magistrate_metrobios_fortuna_standing_left/1737627/Default.aspx']listing on VCoins[/URL] & for [URL='https://www.delcampe.net/en_GB/collectables/coins-banknotes/coins-antique/roman/province/phrygia-peltai-caracalla-ae21-strategos-magistrate-metrobios-fortuna-standing-1805438188.html']auction on Delcampe[/URL]??) It was also [URL='https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/tom_vossen/165/product/phrygia_peltai_caracalla_198217_ad_ae_21mm_534_gm_strategos_magistrate_metrobios_cf_sng_copenhagen_642/1728851/Default.aspx']in Tom Vossen's inventory[/URL] previously. There's another one listed in ISEGRIM that looks like a very close fit, same the magist./Strategos (named Metrobios as on yours), albeit with a slightly longer legend (I don't know of there could've been two duovirs or if that's just the fuller name of the same person, but worth checking): ΠΕΛΤΗΝΩΝ ΜΑ ΑΡΧΟΝΤΟΣ ΜΗΤΡΟΒΙΟΥ It was in the Imhoof-Blumer collection. ISEGRIM gives these two references: IMHOOF KM S284,10(1) [1901/1902, KLEINASIATISCHE MUENZEN VOL 1, 2] COLL IMHOOF(1) [WINTERTHUR] [URL]http://isegrim.dasr.de/isegrim_neu/test2014.php[/URL] That coin should be in the Munzkabinett Winterthur now. I don't think Winterthur's coin collection is online, but itwas published in 4 vols. by H. Bloesch, 1987-1997. There are also much older publications of Imhoof-Blumer's collection illustrated by Leon Dardel's engravings. (I have the older at home, quite beautiful.) Not sure if the coin will be illustrated in either. Note: I think your coin should probably be cataloged as naming Metrobios for the magistrate/strategos (not the more common one, T. Mar. Tat. Arionos, strategos). Metrobios is also named on specimens w/ Caracalla wearing radiate crown, and [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=Metrobios+geta&category=1-2&lot=&date_from=&date_to=&thesaurus=1&images=1&en=1&de=1&fr=1&it=1&es=1&ot=1¤cy=usd&order=3']for Geta[/URL], et al.[/QUOTE]
Your name or email address:
Do you already have an account?
No, create an account now.
Yes, my password is:
Forgot your password?
Stay logged in
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
Coin Forums
>
Ancient Coins
>
Need Help Identifying Phrygia, Peltae - Caracalla
>
Home
Home
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Activity
Recent Posts
Forums
Forums
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Posts
Competitions
Competitions
Quick Links
Competition Index
Rules, Terms & Conditions
Gallery
Gallery
Quick Links
Search Media
New Media
Showcase
Showcase
Quick Links
Search Items
Most Active Members
New Items
Directory
Directory
Quick Links
Directory Home
New Listings
Members
Members
Quick Links
Notable Members
Current Visitors
Recent Activity
New Profile Posts
Sponsors
Menu
Search
Search titles only
Posted by Member:
Separate names with a comma.
Newer Than:
Search this thread only
Search this forum only
Display results as threads
Useful Searches
Recent Posts
More...
