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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;AnYangMan, post: 3161066, member: 87271&quot;]Nice catch! These short cross pennies are hard to get this clear. Let me just start with saying that I am not an expert on this series. But I think it might not be a 5a1, but a 7b instead, which would put it in the reign of Henry III. First, The ‘squished’ bust (Spink calls this a ‘small compact face’, but I prefer squished). This would be rather atypical for a class 5. They usually have somewhat long necks, with the king’s chin line and corresponding beard visible, the hair not coming down as far as his chin. On your coin, the bust just fits inside the beaded circle. The busts degrades once again during these later classes and the pellets disappear from the curls again, but the number of curls, 3, staying the same. Some 7b’s from the web to compare to:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]811407[/ATTACH]</p><p>(<i>HistoricCoinage.com, </i>also Raulf on London)</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://hallshammeredcoins.com/websitepics/Henry_III_SC_Penny_HHC1390.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://images.vcoins.com/product_image/183/K/6/k73B5PaoW9iRmN2sJ9t67gYHx8sAcD.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>(<i>Harford coins)</i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p><i><img src="http://hallshammeredcoins.com/websitepics/Henry_III_SC_Penny_Giffrei_HHC1827.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p>(Note the incredibly similar bust on this last example)</p><p><br /></p><p>An additional indicator might be the shape of the letter X: in class 7, it has a very distinct, short, roundish shape. The characteristic shape of the ‘H’ in ‘Henricus’ also matches. Sadly, one of the main defining characteristics of class 7b, the top of the letter A, was struck off flan :/. Lastly, the reveres seems to lack any interpunction (right?). This is a great identifier for a class 7 penny, Class 5 pennies usually have single dots (although there are exceptions). Both classes have a cross pattee as the initial mark on the reverse, and Raulf was active in London during the striking of both classes.</p><p><br /></p><p>But again, I am not an expert in this series and I very well could be wrong. It remains a tricky series. What do you think?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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