Need advice on selling coins

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by pab123, Jan 17, 2011.

  1. pab123

    pab123 New Member

    I am not having any luck getting good pics. I just have an ordinary camera -- no macro lens -- so maybe I'm not lighting it right.

    Anyway, I looked at the RedBook again. I think my mom paid way too much for the coins, but there's nothing to be done about that now, 25 years later. The receipts describe all the coins as being Choice Uncirculated, MS 63-65. Since there's quite a difference in value within that range, I don't know what these coins are worth.

    The 1881-S Morgans are $50 (MS63), $65 (MS64), and $190 (MS65).

    The 1887 Morgans are $50 (MS63), $60 (MS64), and $175 (MS65). My coins (per the receipt) are 1887-P, but there wasn't a listing for that in the book.

    The 1924 St Gaudens was $1,950 (only MS63 was listed). The 1924D was $8,750, and the 1924S was $9,000. Mine has a character underneath the year, but I can't make it out.

    I was also wondering about something in the book. In front of the number indicating how many coins were minted, sometimes there's a number in parenthesis. For the 1887 Morgan, it was (710). What does this number mean?

    I was hoping you all here could help me with the value and so forth, but since I can't get good photos (and don't want to buy a new camera just for these coins), I guess I just need to go to the coin show. This may sound dumb, but do I actually take all the coins with me? They're pretty heavy, but of course the dealers would have to look at them. (Duh)

    Also, I understand dealers have to make a profit, so how much under the value (as stated in the RedBook) should I expect to accept?

    I appreciate all your advice. Thanks.
     
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  3. coinman0456

    coinman0456 Coin Collector

    I find that a bit curious . May I ask who the Dealer was that suggested you take the coins to a show rather than make arrangements to bring them to his location for a look see ? As you stated your not in a rush to sell anything. May I suggest that if you are going to follow the suggestion to go to a show , it may be wise not to sell anything on the first go around offers. Note the dealers name and shop around . What area do you reside in ? Perhaps one of our elder members here may be close and can further assist you . We also have a few Professional Dealers who frequent this forum . So tread cautiously at that show. Was the atty that handled the Estate of any help ? Also , using the prices listed in Red Book as a source of values of your coins, is useless. No one buy's at Red Book prices. Not even close in many instances. That is why you need to reference either the appraisal used in the Estate papers or have someone , like a dealer do an appraisal for resale value for you. Trying to attempt such a task with simply photos here just won't cut it. Trust me , you won't get the attention of a dealer to give you a fair appraisal while during a show. It's unfair to you both. It is a good way to meet some dealers and get a feel for whom you think you would like to conduct this transaction with though and make an appointment to visit their shop at a later date . Of course , these are simply my suggestions for you. Happy Hunting and enjoy the show.
     
  4. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    The character under the date on the St Gaudens is the designer's monogram. If there were a mint mark, it would be above the date (weird, huh?).

    The number in parentheses is the proof mintage -- so, 11,000,000 (710) would mean total mintage was 11 million, but proof mintage was only 710.
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Nor should you have any idea what they are worth, for several reasons. 1 - you have no idea how to grade the coins yourself. 2 - you have no idea if the dealer who sold the coins graded them correctly. 3 - 24 years (in 1986) ago the grading standards changed dramatically. Coins that dealers previously graded as 65 became 63s overnight. So even if your flip says 65, the coin is probably only a 63. 4 - prices in the Red Book are pretty much worthless.


    Yes there is, it just doesn't say 1987-P. It just says 1987. Coins listed without a mint mark are all from the P mint.

    The mint mark is above the date, not under it. What you see under the date are the designer's initials.

    That indicates the number of Proofs made.


    As I said, Red Book values are largely worthless. Often the prices they list are way too high and sometimes they are way too low. So there is no way to give you any guide that will mean anything because you don't know anything about coins.

    This is why I suggested that you need a trustworthy dealer. There really is no way for us to help you with you not knowing anything. In my opinion your only real option is to trust somebody else. A reputable dealer won't cheat you, they won't give you lowball offers. They will give you fair offers for your coins. And that's about the best you can hope for.

    Now, if you want to go to one of the Longbeach shows, go see the Goldbergs, Ira and Larry. They will give you fair offers and they will be at every Longbeach show there is. Now I may be able to give you several recommendations on who to see, but I need to know which show you will be attending so I can ask some of the smaller dealers that I would trust if they will be there or not.

    As for the notion of shopping around, that's not really a good idea at a coin show. The reason it's not is because at a coin show the dealers are going to see you going table to table and they know what you are doing. And word will get around fast. After that most won't even talk to you.

    You see, at a coin show most of the sales that are made are made between dealers. So say you go talk to dealer A. Then you go talk to dealer B. Dealer A sees you talk to dealer B and dealer B is one of his best customers, so dealer A won't even buy your coins anymore.

    It's OK to talk to one or two dealers, but beyond that forget it. Or you will most definitely end up getting the short end of the stick.

    When you go to a coin show to sell, you need to have in mind who you are going to sell to, narrowed down to 1 or 2, before you even get there.
     
  6. pab123

    pab123 New Member

    Samuel Lopresto. I got his name from PNGdealers.com. He was one of three dealers close to me. I live in the San Pedro area.

    I'll have to talk to my sister about our mother's estate. She handled everything since I wasn't living in this area at the time.

    I have to say that I've gotten really cold feet about going to the coin show. But as I said, I really appreciate all the good information here.
     
  7. EyeEatWheaties

    EyeEatWheaties Cent Hoarder

    I have yet to be made comfortable at a coin show yet. If you go to one, make sure you with someone who knows how to deal with these shows or you will get taken.


    Since you are in no hurry.

    To get the best money you can for those coins, sell them on eBay.

    DO NOT JUST LIST THEM WITH CRAPPY PICS AND SHORT LITTLE Descriptions. There are a lot of guys like me who look for certain types of listing for the deals!

    GO get a point and shoot with a super macro function and a little desktop tripod. Sit down one night and shoot all the coins, front and back. drop each one into a numbered flip so you know which one goes with which picture.

    Create an eBay account. Search other listings for the same coin to use as a template for your listing. PUt them up as a Buy it Now prices. Use the redbook prices if you want and say so in your listing - do not list grades on the coins or in your listing.

    Couple key points, the better your pictures, the better the price you will get. Take your time to get the pics right, crop them square.


    Remember you have time on your side, so take your time. You don't have to list them all at once, you can put whatever prices you want to start and then drop them if they aren't selling - lots of little marketing things you can do to bring attention to the listings like a couple no reserve auctions ending on sundays or maybe a couple of coins ending each night from your Buy it Now listings.

    I wouldn't ever take any coins to any show to sell ever~! not with out a personal reference and a companion during the deal. You will be fresh meat in a pool of sharks.
     
  8. coinman0456

    coinman0456 Coin Collector

    I would start there with your Mom's attorney that handled the disposition of her estate . I am unfamiliar with Mr. Lopresto , however I don't feel he did you any favors with that suggestion. Both myself , GD and perhaps a few others have strongly suggested you work with a dealer , first to appraise the collection for you . Going to the show, is a good start at becomming familiar with some of the " Local " dealers in your area , who will sit down with you and discuss the part of the collection you would like to have appraised. It's sounds time consuming , but sell in haste and more often than not you would have sold short . What is the show name you plan on going to ?
     
  9. coinman0456

    coinman0456 Coin Collector

    Now your not to far outside of the Los Angeles area. Goldberg Coins in Beverly Hills might be an option for you, and they just might be there at the Show. Again, what is the name of the show you plan on attending ? Thanks.


    Seem GD and I had the same suggestion. The Goldberg Auction house is a very reputable firm , and I would not hesitate having them appraise a collection. Fair & Honest .
     
  10. pab123

    pab123 New Member

    It would be the Long Beach Coin & Stamp Show, but I really don't think I'm going to go now.
     
  11. coinman0456

    coinman0456 Coin Collector

    To bad, Goldberg's probably has a table . As you can , whatever pictures you can post up, I'd like to view . Going to the coin show could prove to be a very enjoyable experience for you, sorry you contemplating not going. Hope you reconsider .
     
  12. ratio411

    ratio411 Active Member

    I agree with putting them up for auction, with the very best and largest pics of them you can muster.

    I am not saying there aren't any good dealers out there, but for me, good ones have been elusive.
    I have seen the ones I visit do some serious low balling to people that inheirted coins.
    I am certainly going to counsel my loved ones not to take my collections to dealers when I pass.
     
  13. lucyray

    lucyray Ariel -n- Tango

    Dear pab123, Sorry for your loss. Mothers are special. Yours must have been..how many mothers collect coins?? How neat! You are getting good advice here, it looks like :)

    Sincerely,
    LucyRay
     
  14. lucyray

    lucyray Ariel -n- Tango

    Wow GDJMSP! What an informative post! Very kind, informative, and filled with empirical knowledge. I sure learned a lot from reading it. I can use ALL of that advice there!

    Kind regards,
    LucyRay
     
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