Need a little help on this

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Chazman, Jan 15, 2017.

  1. Chazman

    Chazman New Member

    Is this a blank quarter. When it's put up next to a quarter its the same size. Got it back as change.
     

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  3. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    it does have value. check the completed Ebay auctions to get an approximate value.
     
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  4. Swan

    Swan A millon dollars short of being a millionaire

    Nice find!
     
  5. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Maybe. Show the edge and if possible get the weight..
    Technically it is a Quarter Planchet..
    it does not state it is a Quarter, but it could of been ;)

    Do you know the difference between a Type 1 Blank and a Type 2 Planchet?

    Here is one from my collection. Clad should weigh about 5.7 grams
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  6. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    It could well be a blank planchet, but you'll need an accurate (0.01g resolution) weight to have any certainty.
     
  7. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Paddy, what he has shown us appears to be missing BOTH clad layers. How much should it weigh if it is missing both?

    Chris
     
  8. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Looks like bad lighting.. The background is light brown or mahogany, so you get that weird effect..
    But I will get back to you on the question ;)

    *According to my calculations it would be 3.32 grams missing both clad layers.
     
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  9. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    I would say between 3.32 and 5.7... when one or both CuNi outer layers run out, the reducing rollers still create standard thickness, so there is more of the pure Cu layer.
     
  10. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    It *looks* that way to me too, but on that background with unknown white balance technique, the color cannot be trusted. That will be the next thing to address, once we know the accurate weight.
     
  11. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    And a weight between 5.44 and 5.9 grams. (You really think we need .01 gram resolution? :) )
     
  12. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Only for those as anal as I. :)
     
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  13. Chazman

    Chazman New Member

    I'll retake the pic on a better background. But I'm still a little new to all of this and i haven't bought a scale yet. That will be on my list of things to buy. Thanks for the help
     
  14. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Just a little confused on your reply. Which I tend to get in my old age. But common sense tells me, if the outer layers of this Oreo cookie.-Nickel- way a certain amount. Then the inner filling. -Copper-ways a certain amount. Put the three together to Way a certain amount. Just because the two outer layers of nickel are missing does not change the weight of the copper center. As you suggest in your statement but I could be reading your statement wrong.:confused::rolleyes::blackalien:
     
  15. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Actually Burton is correct. If the CuNi ran out there would be more copper in the blank.
     
  16. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Still confused. Common sense more copper more weight numbers don't add up. Copper rolled to a consistent measurement and weight. Nickel rolled to a consistent measurement and weight. Add all three together you get the weight of a quarter. Remove the two nickel layers you should get the exact weight of the copper. See where I'm coming from.ldhair Now if the copper sheet weighs more it's an improper copper sheet. Thus you will have improper quarter weight if you add nickel to it.Basically all I'm trying to say is nickel sheet has a certain weight. The copper has a certain weight. When added together they equaled the weight of a quarter are whichever coinage being struck. So even if you run out of the nickel and just have copper remaining, and yes I agree the rolling machine stays at a standard thickness. It does not change the weight of the copper because it would change the weight of the finished product.paddyman98 According to my calculations it would be 3.32 grams missing both clad layers.This last sentence I totally agree with. Then the numbers would add up.:eek::happy::blackalien:
     
  17. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Your not confused. it's just the way we all have of saying things. I'm going to let you guys figure out the weight thing. It would take me a while to get up to speed on the topic.
     
  18. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Copper and Nickel are one number apart on the Periodic Table. The lack of one over the other isn't going to create a significant weight difference.
     
  19. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    Uh????
     
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  20. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    A pure Copper "Quarter" of correct size and thickness would weigh less than a tenth of a gram different than a pure Nickel one. And in a "correctly" constructed Quarter planchet, the Nickel content amounts to only 25% of the cladding, nothing else. If the planchet here is rolled to the correct thickness and cut to the correct diameter (big "if"), the weight difference will be negligible.

    I don't know where everyone else is getting their math. Go research it for yourself; the information - including weight calculators for each metal - is readily available online.
     
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  21. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    So you're talking about the density of the metal and not the location on the periodic table?
     
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